Life After Death

TheBig3 · 05-27-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Whatsitoosit

The more I think about this stuff the more I realize I really don't give a **** if there is an afterlife. I'm thinking if we are the best version of ourselves we can be while we are alive we won't need to believe in an afterlife. If it exists, ok, guess I'll go down that road when I get there. If it doesn't, that's cool too. What I'm more concerned with is the final hours of my life where I think back (assuming I don't have Alzheimer's) and feel comfort that I lived a good life or discomfort that I could have lived a better one. That to me is a more definite conclusion to be worried about rather then one that we will never have any proof of.

but thats not what we're arguing though.

and just for the hell of the argument, Alzheimers doesn't effect long term memory. You'd be able to recall things that hadn't happened in the past 5 years.

Guybrush · 05-27-2009, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Veridical Fiction

You guys normally eat cow brain where you're from?

Not on it's own. If at all, only mashed with other organs in what you guys might think of as norwegian haggis. It's mostly lungs, though.

Appearantly, fried brain sandwich has been a popular dish some places in the US. I believe calves brains may have been popular in britain as well, but I guess mad cow's disease would put an end to that.

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Alzheimers doesn't effect long term memory. You'd be able to recall things that hadn't happened in the past 5 years.

No, that's incorrect. All evidence supports the theory that everything we are and know is somehow stored in and remembered by our physical bodies. If you randomly damage the brain, it could have a lot of different effects and long-term memory loss is one of them.

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia's article on Alzheimer

As the disease advances, symptoms include confusion, irritability and aggression, mood swings, language breakdown, long-term memory loss, and the general withdrawal of the sufferer as their senses decline.

TheBig3 · 05-27-2009, 12:52 PM

Even if thats true, is Alzheimers "randomly damaging the brain?"

Guybrush · 05-27-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Even if thats true, is Alzheimers "randomly damaging the brain?"

No, that's not entirely correct of course. AD is characterized by a loss of neurons, basically a breakdown of brain tissue, in the cerebral cortex and just which regions of the cortex are affected can vary from person to person which can make the some of the effects of AD unpredictable and differing between individuals. I used the word random to describe this, though there's probably reasons why some parts of the brain are lost while others not or later than others.

Whatsitoosit · 05-27-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

but thats not what we're arguing though.

well excuse me if I decided to veer a bit off course and say what was on my mind (keeping it somewhat on topic).

Antonio · 05-27-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dac

As much as I want to dismiss any sort of afterlife because of logic and science, I can't bring myself to believe that this is it. That this whole life and civilization is just a coincidence. That we're just here because of some random glitch in the universe. There has to be more.

agree

deadpoet · 01-05-2011, 07:50 AM

I don't believe in the whole heaven and hell concept. But I do believe(at times) in rebirth. Yes, you could say that we are our brain and since our brain dies, we die with it, and whether there is a soul or not, if our brain is dead, it doesn't count. But are we really what we think? Isn't the brain merely a reflex organ? Aren't we more likely to be the spaces between or thoughts, when we just exist in the "now"? I think we do come back, whether in human form or some other form, whether on the earth or somewhere else, I think we do come back.

**Janszoon** · 01-05-2011, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by deadpoet

I don't believe in the whole heaven and hell concept. But I do believe(at times) in rebirth. Yes, you could say that we are our brain and since our brain dies, we die with it, and whether there is a soul or not, if our brain is dead, it doesn't count. But are we really what we think? Isn't the brain merely a reflex organ? Aren't we more likely to be the spaces between or thoughts, when we just exist in the "now"? I think we do come back, whether in human form or some other form, whether on the earth or somewhere else, I think we do come back.

I definitely disagree with this. As I've heard it phrased before, "the mind is what the brain does". You are the collection of thoughts and memories contained by your brain. Without it there is no you.

deadpoet · 01-05-2011, 08:26 AM

Going by that concept, I have at one time or another been anything and everything. If I have been everything, have I really been anything at all?
I don't know if that makes sense, but let's say you are in deep sleep, thinking of nothing at all. So technically, since there is no mental activity, you are dead. The same goes for meditation, since it involves clearing your mind completely. But you are still physically present in those moments, aren't you?

**Janszoon** · 01-05-2011, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by deadpoet

Going by that concept, I have at one time or another been anything and everything. If I have been everything, have I really been anything at all?
I don't know if that makes sense, but let's say you are in deep sleep, thinking of nothing at all. So technically, since there is no mental activity, you are dead. The same goes for meditation, since it involves clearing your mind completely. But you are still physically present in those moments, aren't you?

There is actually a lot of mental activity going on when you're asleep or meditating. So neither of those really demonstrate your point.

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deadpoet Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: In interesting times Posts: 69	I don't believe in the whole heaven and hell concept. But I do believe(at times) in rebirth. Yes, you could say that we are our brain and since our brain dies, we die with it, and whether there is a soul or not, if our brain is dead, it doesn't count. But are we really what we think? Isn't the brain merely a reflex organ? Aren't we more likely to be the spaces between or thoughts, when we just exist in the "now"? I think we do come back, whether in human form or some other form, whether on the earth or somewhere else, I think we do come back. __________________ The idea is to remain in a state of constant departure while always arriving.

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deadpoet Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: In interesting times Posts: 69	Going by that concept, I have at one time or another been anything and everything. If I have been everything, have I really been anything at all? I don't know if that makes sense, but let's say you are in deep sleep, thinking of nothing at all. So technically, since there is no mental activity, you are dead. The same goes for meditation, since it involves clearing your mind completely. But you are still physically present in those moments, aren't you? __________________ The idea is to remain in a state of constant departure while always arriving.