the *** sex & religion thread (Religious, quote, youtube, Ching)

[adidasss]

I dunno. You seem like a genuinely nice guy, so I don't want to be offensive. I used to believe the same things you do, well similar (I'm an ex-catholic and the Catholic church is pretty clear on all non-procreative sex). If I wasn't also gay, I might still believe the same stuff...naturally, once I stopped believing my actions, which didn't hurt anyone (that's pretty much my only moral maxim nowadays), were sinful (for no apparent reason other than because God said so) I stopped believing in a whole lot of stuff.

In short, I've stopped giving what the Bible says much thought. It's just unfortunate that in "real life" I still have to deal with people who do (blindly) believe in everything they've been spoon fed by their clergy and use it to justify their hate. :\

[sumguy]

Originally Posted by adidasss

It's just unfortunate that in "real life" I still have to deal with people who do (blindly) believe in everything they've been spoon fed by their clergy and use it to justify their hate. :\

Agreed, but more than that I'm bugged by people who study the bible just to prove that it is right. And never do they have any compelling ideas. It is frustrating when you see really intelligent people fighting so hard to prove what cannot be proved.
And yes, if the Bible is true, God does seem like a bastard, or at least we are his Bastard children.

P.S. i just started reading "god is not Great" by Christopher Hitchens, it seems pretty good so far and appears to be on topic with the religion/god theory being flawed.

[The Robot Hunter]

I can definitely see how God could be seen as a bastard in the Old Covenant (or old testament) but He was just; not at all in a way that we see justice like "hey that guy came on the ground when God told him to make children, for sure kill him!," or "people are sinning all over the place, drown them all in a flood!" but things did change with the New Covenant (or Jesus, or New Testament), God didn't change but the way we interact did. Like I said, given the Old Testament I could see how people could say that God was a bastard, but I do have a problem with it if you consider Jesus.

I can't really see how someone could call Jesus a bastard (I mean I guess literally, Mary wasn't married to God was she? lol). He healed the blind and the lame, He put the first last and the last first, He truly loved people and used His very life to spread a message of love and hope. And (what I think is the most unfortunate parts for a vast majority of Christians today) the people who He disagreed with the most and had the least patience for were the Pharisees who were experts on (what we see now as) the Old Testament and used their knowledge to doubt and oppress and control people (sound familiar? i.e. Christians today).

I know that the people saying that God is a bastard are people that aren't or are no longer Christians and don't believe the same things that I do, but I think it's fair if you're going to look at things from the Old Testament to make a case that God was a jerk you should look at the text as a whole.

I didn't grow up in the church (in fact I was an adult before I came to know Christ) and therefore wasn't inundated with religious dogma or brainwashed. My search for truth in life led me here, and as I continue to seek truth my faith and thoughts are always changing. I know no one was saying that I believe everything that I am told, I just thought I would clear it up.

[The Robot Hunter]

Awkward... Now for something completely different:

YouTube - Funny cat noise

[sleepy jack]

If the bible is true than God is deceitful (which is why I called him a bastard and there are many many more "lessons" in the bible I could quote that would justify me calling the Judeo-Christian god a bastard.) Evolution, anal sex, the age of the Earth...all these a contradictory to the bible and they're provable. Why would an all powerful being who wants you to worship and follow in his teachings deliberately make it so you HAVE to suspend logic and rational thinking in order to believe in him? That makes no sense to me.

[cardboard adolescent]

because you are your reason and logical thinking and god wants you to realize you're shit in comparison to him

[sleepy jack]

Silly god! I can't realize his superiority if I think he's nothing more than a nonexistent fiction character who's only acknowledged by human beings because of a sense of emptiness combined with a mind full of delusional wishful thinking.

[cardboard adolescent]

and yet who is suffering from the sense of emptiness,
the atheists or the christians?
perhaps both, but doesn't the feeling of emptiness
imply a loss? how can you lose what you ever had?
maybe religion is nostalgia for the womb,
a scream against entropy.
maybe religion is looking at things backwards.
but why is backwards thinking delusional
when forwards thinking leads to heat death?
in any case,
if there is a God,
eventually you will have to confront him
and decide which of the two of you is the
nonexistent fictional character
and if there isn't
i guess you'll never know

[Kamikazi Kat]

Originally Posted by sumguy

Wow Robot Hunter. I started to read your post and thought "Damn it, now i have to get all Millitant Athiest" but after reading the whole thing through all i can say is... "I wish all christians were like that. It would make me feel much better sharing the planet with them." So... Thank you.

Yeah, I agree.

[Guybrush]

Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

and yet who is suffering from the sense of emptiness,
the atheists or the christians?
perhaps both, but doesn't the feeling of emptiness
imply a loss? how can you lose what you ever had?

What emptiness?
What loss?

I wasn't brought up as a christian, nor any other religion. I'm not baptized .. And I'm not bothered by a feeling of emptiness.

Implying that you should believe in God because you might face consequences in the afterlife is a fear-tactic. Scaring people into believing is pathetic.