the *** sex & religion thread (Religious, track, quote, 2007)

[sleepy jack]

This god fellow sounds like a real bastard.

[The Robot Hunter]

Originally Posted by sleepy jack

This god fellow sounds like a real bastard.

lol

I don't know about your anal sex question. I would make the argument that there are a lot of things that aren't good for us but are pleasurable but there's nothing inherently dangerous about the act of anal sex.

[Guybrush]

Originally Posted by The Robot Hunter

lol

I don't know about your anal sex question.

Track back to page 2. I've got my man-on-man anal sex 101 post there.

[The Robot Hunter]

Originally Posted by toretorden

Track back to page 2. I'm got my man-on-man anal sex 101 post there.

I meant that I don't know how to reply to it with the perspective of if God created everything then why would He make anal sex pleasurable? I know that purely biologically speaking anal sex can be pleasurable.
I haven't really given much thought to anal sex within the confines of marriage but I think that would be fine because if I said that all anal sex is a sin I would probably have to say that sex for pleasure and not procreation is wrong, which I definitely don't believe is the case.
And @ sumguy: There are a lot of people that believe that the point of us being here is to overcome temptation for glory but I don't think that's necessarily exclusively a Christian idea, that's more of an answer to "Why are we here?" That a lot of different cultures and religions have.

[iksosept]

Originally Posted by The Robot Hunter

with the perspective of if God created everything then why would He make anal sex pleasurable?

I'm dissapointed in the Bible then, I thought it provided answers to everything..



not being serious though,
my honest opinion on the whole thing:

I'm pro gay sex and same sex relationships in general, why should I want to detain people from being happy.

I also agree on the idea that everyone is some sort of scale, somewhere between 100% hetero and 100% homosexual. It's just that society applies pressure on everyone, so why would you even want to try out your homosexual side, if you're perfectly content with your heterosexual side. The dilemma exists for those with rather clear tendency towards homosexuality, and I think that's a shame.

What I really believe is that sexuality isn't even just a line, like the scale I mentioned, but some multi-dimensional vetor, if you will.

As far as religion goes, I'm atheist or agnostic or whatever. I concede every one their own spirituality though, as an answer to those things, that we as human beings don't understand. What I don't like are religious beliefs forced on society. That doesn't contain ethical principles, that of course are often derived from religion. But society's concepts on morality change and need to do so over time - for example when scientific results proof something wrong. I hope that someday society will have a more liberal view on everyone's sexuality (no need to say, that this doesn't include sexual practices that harm people)
what I believe, is that many of the religious beliefs in our societies are out-dated. Therefore ideas and rules, that the Christian church for example teach us, really might have been "accurate" knowledge-fillers 2000 years ago. Homosexual behavior might have been some scapegoat for bad things that happened to people 2000 years ago, how should they have known that floods, diseases or droughts have the reasons they have. They didn't have the scientific findings we have now. And therefore you really could assume it's the unusual homosexual behavior's fault back then.
I highly doubt that anyone ever "heard god's voice" and therefore knew his will, I guess founders of religious groups just had mainly good ideas, which rules society should follow (like don't steal, don't murder, etc..) and which ideas of spirituality help the people gain hope and inner strengh. coupled with some false and bad views. and those have to be revised.

Problem is, you just can't argue about religion, because it is holy. Change might come, but it will come very slowely I'm afraid

so yeah, I guess I'm done here...

[Terrible Lizard]

Religion. Scaring dogs everywhere.

[adidasss]

Originally Posted by The Robot Hunter

I haven't really given much thought to anal sex within the confines of marriage but I think that would be fine because if I said that all anal sex is a sin I would probably have to say that sex for pleasure and not procreation is wrong, which I definitely don't believe is the case.

Are you sure that's what your faith teaches? Onan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[The Robot Hunter]

Originally Posted by adidasss

Are you sure that's what your faith teaches? Onan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I believe, as the article you linked to says:

the plain reading of the text is that Onan was killed because he refused to follow instructions.

Not for the act of "spilling his seed" but because in doing so he was being disobedient.
I don't pretend to be a theologian but I think part of the miracle of the bible is people having different perspectives and experiences in reading the same passage.

[adidasss]

If you say so...

[The Robot Hunter]

Originally Posted by adidasss

If you say so...

Ha, seems like a cop-out doesn't it?