the *** sex & religion thread (American, African, bling, member)

[Kamikazi Kat]

Originally Posted by sumguy

Wow Robot Hunter. I started to read your post and thought "Damn it, now i have to get all Millitant Athiest" but after reading the whole thing through all i can say is... "I wish all christians were like that. It would make me feel much better sharing the planet with them." So... Thank you.

Yeah, I agree.

[sleepy jack]

Originally Posted by The Robot Hunter

My take on homosexuality in a nutshell as a (hopefully non-ignorant or bigoted) Christian:
The act of sex between two people of the same sex is a sin because God created marriage as a bond between two people of the opposite sex. Pre-marital sex of any kind is a sin and since I don't believe God would honor a same-sex marriage I view sex between two homosexuals as a sin.
But the fact that it is a sin doesn't and shouldn't matter to me as far as how I view a person goes. Sin is sin and I know every Christian lives in their own particular one so it is not Christ-like in any way to treat someone poorly because they are not committing an "acceptable" sin. There's no reason that a homosexual can't be saved just as there's no reason why a minister who's addicted to pornography or internet gambling can't be saved.
I don't see homosexuality as a problem to be fixed because being a homosexual is different than the act of homosexuality (the act of sex, as opposed to the commitment to another person of your same sex). I see the conundrum of this but I know that people are born homosexual. And I know the question is then "Why would God create homosexuals then?" And I have no idea. But I do know that I have no problems being friends with a homosexual and don't have any more preconceived notions about them than anyone would have preconceived notions about me as a straight man.
I support *** marriage as a political policy because even though I believe it's wrong I believe that it is not the place of the government to decide this and moreover, I think it is stupid to prevent the commitment of two people in an exclusive relationship; The world needs more commitment between people in general. And Christianity (as a religion) needs more commitment to partnering with the homosexual community to repair some of the rifts that have occurred as a result of bigots who veil their hate for another person in religion.
Okay, that wasn't really nutshell-like was it? So I'll be more concise: Basically Christianity isn't supposed to be about policies. It's supposed to be about being Jesus to a world that needs a lot more love and peace, and my view is that if Jesus were posed with a question about homosexuality He would say that all have fallen short of the grace of God and the only thing that matters is coming back to a relationship with the Father through Jesus.
As far as I can tell that's what a Christ-like take on homosexuality is supposed to be. And of course I'm not here to tell anyone how to feel or think, I just thought I'd give my take on the situation as a Christian.

Aside: why is gay considered a "bad word" by MB?

Why is anal sex sexually pleasurable if were not supposed to have it?

[sumguy]

i think the theory is "To overcome temptation and achieve all glory" or something like that.

But in my personal opinion. I don't find anal all that appealing.

[sleepy jack]

This god fellow sounds like a real bastard.

[The Robot Hunter]

Originally Posted by sleepy jack

This god fellow sounds like a real bastard.

lol

I don't know about your anal sex question. I would make the argument that there are a lot of things that aren't good for us but are pleasurable but there's nothing inherently dangerous about the act of anal sex.

[Guybrush]

Originally Posted by The Robot Hunter

lol

I don't know about your anal sex question.

Track back to page 2. I've got my man-on-man anal sex 101 post there.

[The Robot Hunter]

Originally Posted by toretorden

Track back to page 2. I'm got my man-on-man anal sex 101 post there.

I meant that I don't know how to reply to it with the perspective of if God created everything then why would He make anal sex pleasurable? I know that purely biologically speaking anal sex can be pleasurable.
I haven't really given much thought to anal sex within the confines of marriage but I think that would be fine because if I said that all anal sex is a sin I would probably have to say that sex for pleasure and not procreation is wrong, which I definitely don't believe is the case.
And @ sumguy: There are a lot of people that believe that the point of us being here is to overcome temptation for glory but I don't think that's necessarily exclusively a Christian idea, that's more of an answer to "Why are we here?" That a lot of different cultures and religions have.

[iksosept]

Originally Posted by The Robot Hunter

with the perspective of if God created everything then why would He make anal sex pleasurable?

I'm dissapointed in the Bible then, I thought it provided answers to everything..



not being serious though,
my honest opinion on the whole thing:

I'm pro gay sex and same sex relationships in general, why should I want to detain people from being happy.

I also agree on the idea that everyone is some sort of scale, somewhere between 100% hetero and 100% homosexual. It's just that society applies pressure on everyone, so why would you even want to try out your homosexual side, if you're perfectly content with your heterosexual side. The dilemma exists for those with rather clear tendency towards homosexuality, and I think that's a shame.

What I really believe is that sexuality isn't even just a line, like the scale I mentioned, but some multi-dimensional vetor, if you will.

As far as religion goes, I'm atheist or agnostic or whatever. I concede every one their own spirituality though, as an answer to those things, that we as human beings don't understand. What I don't like are religious beliefs forced on society. That doesn't contain ethical principles, that of course are often derived from religion. But society's concepts on morality change and need to do so over time - for example when scientific results proof something wrong. I hope that someday society will have a more liberal view on everyone's sexuality (no need to say, that this doesn't include sexual practices that harm people)
what I believe, is that many of the religious beliefs in our societies are out-dated. Therefore ideas and rules, that the Christian church for example teach us, really might have been "accurate" knowledge-fillers 2000 years ago. Homosexual behavior might have been some scapegoat for bad things that happened to people 2000 years ago, how should they have known that floods, diseases or droughts have the reasons they have. They didn't have the scientific findings we have now. And therefore you really could assume it's the unusual homosexual behavior's fault back then.
I highly doubt that anyone ever "heard god's voice" and therefore knew his will, I guess founders of religious groups just had mainly good ideas, which rules society should follow (like don't steal, don't murder, etc..) and which ideas of spirituality help the people gain hope and inner strengh. coupled with some false and bad views. and those have to be revised.

Problem is, you just can't argue about religion, because it is holy. Change might come, but it will come very slowely I'm afraid

so yeah, I guess I'm done here...

[adidasss]

Originally Posted by The Robot Hunter

I haven't really given much thought to anal sex within the confines of marriage but I think that would be fine because if I said that all anal sex is a sin I would probably have to say that sex for pleasure and not procreation is wrong, which I definitely don't believe is the case.

Are you sure that's what your faith teaches? Onan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Terrible Lizard]

Religion. Scaring dogs everywhere.