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The Unfan 12-11-2008 09:51 PM

I know everything about everything. - Debate me about anything.
 
And go...

Surell 12-11-2008 09:53 PM

Why did 50 Cent's stupid ass decide to battle Wu Tang?

Debate on 50's side. Dare ya.

The Unfan 12-11-2008 10:06 PM

50 decided to DO BATTLE with Wu because he is a dumbass man child looking for publicity. Thats about the best way to sum it up that I can think of.

mr dave 12-12-2008 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan (Post 562597)
And go...

does time have a linear existence if we aren't here to measure it?

dac 12-12-2008 02:46 AM

Debate and win all of WendyCal's arguments to Sleepy Jack... And GO!

thegoldlaw 12-12-2008 04:39 AM

If life was a snail and it was surrounded by salt who do you believe would play santa in the year 2042 ?

The Unfan 12-12-2008 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 562661)
does time have a linear existence if we aren't here to measure it?

Assuming time is linear, yes. It isn't like if we stopped existing everything else would stop existing with it, just our perception of it. However as long as events happen, even without anything to witness or measure them, there is necessarily a time at which it happened. Human activity and perception do not determine the existence of nor the order in which events happen. With or without us time would remain the same.

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Originally Posted by dac
Debate and win all of WendyCal's arguments to Sleepy Jack... And GO!

Thats the easy part. The hard part would be doing it without him banning me.

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Originally Posted by goldenlaw
If life was a snail and it was surrounded by salt who do you believe would play santa in the year 2042 ?

John Edlund.

cardboard adolescent 12-12-2008 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan (Post 562679)
Assuming time is linear, yes. It isn't like if we stopped existing everything else would stop existing with it, just our perception of it. However as long as events happen, even without anything to witness or measure them, there is necessarily a time at which it happened. Human activity and perception do not determine the existence of nor the order in which events happen. With or without us time would remain the same.

What is an event? For an even to be an event, does it not need to be observed? That seems to be implicit in the definition. If everything we know is the result of observation, how can we possibly know what is beyond the realm of observation? Also, you say that human activity cannot determine the order in which events occur. That's just not true, Einstein proved that there was no such thing as synchronicity and that seeing two events as simultaneous depends on your reference frame/speed.

The Unfan 12-13-2008 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent (Post 562726)
What is an event? For an even to be an event, does it not need to be observed? That seems to be implicit in the definition.

Perhaps event is the wrong word. However if an apple falls out of a tree and no sentient thing is there to witness it, it still occurred. Which was my point, something doesn't need to be witnessed for it to happen.

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If everything we know is the result of observation, how can we possibly know what is beyond the realm of observation?
Oh so deep man. Welcome to science.

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Also, you say that human activity cannot determine the order in which events occur. That's just not true, Einstein proved that there was no such thing as synchronicity and that seeing two events as simultaneous depends on your reference frame/speed.
Relativity accounts for observation and basic senses, however I'm inclined to disagree with it accounting for "real" time. If you moved fast enough around something you could technically see yourself in two places, but you wouldn't actually say you're in two places. I do suppose there is a sort of perceptive relative time though.

cardboard adolescent 12-13-2008 12:43 AM

Why doesn't something need to be witnessed to happen? How can you have an object without a subject? Now you're trying to distinguish between relativity and "real" time, but how can you have any sort of objective time... consider if the universe were a movie and you were God watching it. You could play it in fast forward or slow it down, and it would be the exact same, none of the characters in the movie would be able to tell. It only makes sense to talk about the "speed of change" if your perception relies on that very change. Time is a concept which we have invented and can barely define, it dies with us.

The Unfan 12-13-2008 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent (Post 563150)
Why doesn't something need to be witnessed to happen?

So did the anything ever come into being? I don't think the first life form witness what was before it.
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How can you have an object without a subject?
Grass.

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Now you're trying to distinguish between relativity and "real" time, but how can you have any sort of objective time... consider if the universe were a movie and you were God watching it. You could play it in fast forward or slow it down, and it would be the exact same, none of the characters in the movie would be able to tell. It only makes sense to talk about the "speed of change" if your perception relies on that very change.
This assumes a whole lot. It assumes a force outside of the natural universe. One for which there is no such proof, therefore one I will not consider the effects of on the natural universe.

cardboard adolescent 12-13-2008 11:59 AM

No it doesn't. I was just showing that all measurements are relative to the observer. Time is the most subjective thing there is, it has to be experienced or it means nothing.

right-track 12-13-2008 01:00 PM

Unfan, CA is right.
What he's saying is that time is relative to the individual.
And he's not talking hypothetically either. It's a scientific fact.

anticipation 12-13-2008 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent (Post 563275)
No it doesn't. I was just showing that all measurements are relative to the observer. Time is the most subjective thing there is, it has to be experienced or it means nothing.

i agree, except replace experienced with accepted, and now we're in business.


time has to be accepted as real by an entity for it to become real. if someone thinks "i don't need a measurement by which to govern the span of my existence, so what's the point in creating one?", then time means nothing.

dac 12-13-2008 01:19 PM

Ok Unfan, Dwayne Wade or LeBron James?

cardboard adolescent 12-13-2008 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by anticipation (Post 563305)
i agree, except replace experienced with accepted, and now we're in business.


time has to be accepted as real by an entity for it to become real. if someone thinks "i don't need a measurement by which to govern the span of my existence, so what's the point in creating one?", then time means nothing.

this is a pretty moot point, but if time is subjective, then wouldn't the decision not to adopt time involve recognizing time as something which exists, albeit only on a subjective level? in which case, even by denying time you're affirming it. you can refuse to recognize time but you can't really refuse to experience it, except maybe through suicide.

anticipation 12-13-2008 01:43 PM

maybe i was trying to say that the decision was innate or unconcious, but since i don't believe in either of those theories or the semantics that go along with them, i'll just say that time is not necessarily something that you can actively deny, but something you just naturally ignore.

right-track 12-13-2008 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by anticipation (Post 563315)
maybe i was trying to say that the decision was innate or unconcious, but since i don't believe in either of those theories or the semantics that go along with them, i'll just say that time is not necessarily something that you can actively deny, but something you just naturally ignore.

Or until you die of old age.

I agree with you that time as we use it ie; 20.48 for this post...is an abstract concept.
But there's no way we can ignore time. If we didn't exist, time would continue in it's many forms, regardless.

anticipation 12-13-2008 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by right-track (Post 563320)
If we didn't exist, time would continue in it's many forms, regardless.

that depends, do animals have the cognitive ability to recognize their own aging, or do they only know that they have become weaker without knowing why?

FaSho 12-13-2008 02:04 PM

Explain to me how it is logically possible to believe a god is a man or a woman and not a higher being that has no gender.

Terrible Lizard 12-13-2008 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by FaSho (Post 563327)
Explain to me how it is logically possible to believe a god is a man or a woman and not a higher being that has no gender.


The same way how Bono can wear pink sunglasses, and nobody calls him ***.

The Unfan 12-14-2008 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by right-track (Post 563299)
Unfan, CA is right.
What he's saying is that time is relative to the individual.
And he's not talking hypothetically either. It's a scientific fact.

The thread was two pages and you still managed to succesfully not read it. I acknowledged relative time.

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Originally Posted by dac
Ok Unfan, Dwayne Wade or LeBron James?

Last time I cared that basketball existed Michael Jordan would've been the answer to this question. Space Jam > these new cats.

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Originally Posted by FaSho
Explain to me how it is logically possible to believe a god is a man or a woman and not a higher being that has no gender.

By believing in multiple gods/goddesses who have reproductive systems.

Surell 12-14-2008 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan (Post 562611)
50 decided to DO BATTLE with Wu because he is a dumbass man child looking for publicity. Thats about the best way to sum it up that I can think of.

I thought you would argue on 50's side.

The Unfan 12-14-2008 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Surell (Post 563769)
I thought you would argue on 50's side.

Since I hate both acts I'll try. 50 Cent made a passive joke in one of his songs, whatever member of Wu got butthurt and cried about it in a song. This sparked a very long and heated short lived rivalry.

jackhammer 12-14-2008 04:57 PM

You don't know my exact frame of mind at this time. You don't know my eldest son's middle name or the town I was born.

dac 12-14-2008 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan (Post 563637)
Last time I cared that basketball existed Michael Jordan would've been the answer to this question. Space Jam > these new cats.

You avoided the question.

FaSho 12-14-2008 06:38 PM

Why do people think the movie Drumline is so good?

The Unfan 12-15-2008 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by dac (Post 563972)
You avoided the question.

I'll go with James. He has that intimidation factor.

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Originally Posted by FaSho
Why do people think the movie Drumline is so good?

It was well marketed and youths are dumb.

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Originally Posted by jackhammer
You don't know my exact frame of mind at this time. You don't know my eldest son's middle name or the town I was born.

You win at this thread. But if I had to take a guess Manchester is the answer to all 3.

dac 12-15-2008 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by FaSho (Post 563974)
Why do people think the movie Drumline is so good?

Because Nick Cannon is cool.

spark10036 12-15-2008 08:00 AM

why would anyone name his son Pilot Inspektor?

The Unfan 12-16-2008 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by spark10036 (Post 564156)
why would anyone name his son Pilot Inspektor?

Because thats a badass name.

Sneer 12-16-2008 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Terrible Lizard (Post 563504)
The same way how Bono can wear pink sunglasses, and nobody calls him ***.

On the contrary, regardless of what Bono wears over his eyes...

Surell 12-18-2008 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan (Post 563783)
Since I hate both acts I'll try. 50 Cent made a passive joke in one of his songs, whatever member of Wu got butthurt and cried about it in a song. This sparked a very long and heated short lived rivalry.

You're a good man, even if I like Wu Tang.

khfreek 12-18-2008 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan (Post 563783)
This sparked a very long and heated short lived rivalry.

Does this mean 50 Cent and the Wu Tang Clan have had time travelling technology all this time and didn't tell us? Bastards...

Terrible Lizard 12-18-2008 07:47 PM

Why Texas?
I live there, I know it's a piece of **** and it's mostly populated by god-fearing white trash....:laughing:
But there are MUCH worse places in the good ol' U.S.A.
like Utah, Utah sucks.

The Unfan 12-19-2008 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Terrible Lizard (Post 566138)
Why Texas?

I'm being punk as shit and rebelling against trends. Fight the power!

The Monkey 12-23-2008 01:39 PM

Are you ever appealed by the Nietzschean concept of man and superman?

The Unfan 12-23-2008 01:43 PM

Darkseid must be stopped!

cardboard adolescent 12-24-2008 02:56 AM

superman is so not beyond good and evil


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