Fruitonica

Eh, I interpretted Dac's slightly ambiguous wording as saying that religion was the cause of the vast majority of wars. Even if my selections were a biased and narrow, they are easily significant enough to display that religion was not the cause for the majority of significant wars in the 20th century.

sleepy jack

Right but that doesn't mean it wasn't the main factor or even a small factor in every war of the 20th and 21st century. Lets look at the most recent one you listed. Iraq falls under the whole "War on Terror" banner and the Bush administration declared this war because of 9/11. Bin Laden said he bombed us (not because of our freedom) because of our ties with the Saudi family, bases in the middle east and our support for Israel. America is a pretty Christian nation and it's logical to assume because of this we have interest in Israel where the end of days is supposed to happen. If Israel were to fall and all the Jews were die Jesus couldn't come back according to Christian theology. So to say "Oh well Religion wasn't a factor in Iraq" just shows an ignorance. When it comes to Jerusalem and the Middle East religion is always a major factor.

I'm not saying our invasion of Iraq was motivated by religion because I don't think it was but on the Middle East side its an issue and it's why there's so much instability in that entire region. I don't think Religion is the cause of moderate and modern democracies to go to war anymore because were simply not that radical in our beliefs (thank god, if only we could get rid of it in our government entirely) but as for the Middle East? It's full of conflict so to say religion hasn't been the cause of wars in the 20th century is just absurd.

Basically what I'm trying to say is if we're going to examine religion being the driving factor behind war we need to look at things, even in the 21st century, with a greater scope and beyond western democracies.

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hitler:
Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the Bolshevization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!

goebbels:
Regarding the Jewish Question, the Führer is determined to clear the table. He warned the Jews that if they were to cause another world war, it would lead to their own destruction. Those were not empty words. Now the world war has come. The destruction of the Jews must be its necessary consequence. We cannot be sentimental about it. It is not for us to feel sympathy for the Jews. We should have sympathy rather with our own German people. If the German people have to sacrifice 160,000 victims in yet another campaign in the east, then those responsible for this bloody conflict will have to pay for it with their lives.

the german people:
heil hitler!

Son of JayJamJah

exactly.

Hitler was not nearly the racist as he was the cold calculated tactician. Everything he did as Führer was führer strategic reasons...

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Fruitonica

I totally agree.

I think I misrepresented myself, I was trying to say that his public reasoning was more along the lines of racial vilification rather than attacking the jewish religion.
Although that's just an impression on my part, not really backed by anything in particular.

thegoldlaw

This is purely an opinion based thing and has no profound writing to back it up. With that said I always believe people hate what they are. Not fully but those who enter their niche and look to threaten it. Since Hitler was a Jew and using my logic it would perfectly explain why he went after the Jews.

Fruitonica

Was he also a homosexual gypsy?

Fruitonica

That isn't what I'm arguing though.

I do concede all your points on the Middle East though.

sleepy jack

I know, sorry. It's almost one in the morning so you have to forgive me if I switch from speaking in general to directly to you I can't really focus right now. I edited again in the third paragraph to clarify my point more.

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