Religion, War and Violence (quote, history)

IObject! · 12-04-2008, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dac

I don't know if a thread like this has been created elsewhere at all but I couldn't find one so here we go:

I share a lot of views with New Atheists (though I myself am not Atheist) that organized religion is both directly and indirectly a cause of most all wars. What do you all think about it?

New Atheists, as oppose to old ones?

We will unfortunately always be at war over something, I think the future holds less wars on religious issues, more on the depleting environmental resources.. Religion is however to blame for millions of deaths and human rights abuses, not just through wars.

dac · 12-04-2008, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I have a couple friends who are Baha'i. The beliefs are just as kooky as any other religion but it's a very tolerant religion that has promoted gender and racial equality since long before it was cool to do so. The down sides: Baha'is are not allowed to drink alcohol and the religion, like a lot of religions, is kind of anti-gay. They'll dance around the issue all day long, but when it comes down to it the religion opposes same-sex relationships.

Personally, I'm more of a fan of the Unitarian-Universalists. They're more tolerant and open than the Baha'is and more about community and philosophy than they are about doctrine.

No alcohol? Well that's no good. I read about their openness to all religions and such and I have a friend in it so I was just wondering. I'll have to do some research on Unitarian Universalists.

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Originally Posted by IObject!

New Atheists, as oppose to old ones?

Yes, that is the name of the movement, The New Atheist Movement... look it up.

**Janszoon** · 12-04-2008, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by IObject!

New Atheists, as oppose to old ones?

The New Atheists is the name for the current crop of atheist writers and intellectuals, people like Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris.

anticipation · 12-04-2008, 05:04 PM

violence is a natural response that should'nt be repressed.
violence is the greatest motivator on the face of the planet.

it is strange to me that weakness and indecision are glorified in the public sphere.

right-track · 12-04-2008, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by anticipation

violence is a natural response that should'nt be repressed.
violence is the greatest motivator on the face of the planet.

it is strange to me that weakness and indecision are glorified in the public sphere.

I'm sure you'd change your view should you become a victim of violence.

cardboard adolescent · 12-04-2008, 05:20 PM

if you choose your role as a transgressor you're less likely to become a victim

right-track · 12-04-2008, 05:24 PM

Of what? Of violence?

cardboard adolescent · 12-04-2008, 05:29 PM

yeah

right-track · 12-04-2008, 05:31 PM

I think history might disagree with you CA.

sleepy jack · 12-04-2008, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by anticipation

violence is a natural response that should'nt be repressed.
violence is the greatest motivator on the face of the planet.

it is strange to me that weakness and indecision are glorified in the public sphere.

The holocaust for the win!!! Lets go wear shirts that say Yay Darfur next!!!

12-04-2008, 05:04 PM	#14 (permalink)
anticipation Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,565	violence is a natural response that should'nt be repressed. violence is the greatest motivator on the face of the planet. it is strange to me that weakness and indecision are glorified in the public sphere.

12-04-2008, 05:20 PM	#16 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	if you choose your role as a transgressor you're less likely to become a victim

12-04-2008, 05:24 PM	#17 (permalink)
right-track Atchin' Akai Join Date: May 2005 Location: Unamerica Posts: 8,723	Of what? Of violence?

12-04-2008, 05:29 PM	#18 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	yeah

12-04-2008, 05:31 PM	#19 (permalink)
right-track Atchin' Akai Join Date: May 2005 Location: Unamerica Posts: 8,723	I think history might disagree with you CA.