Well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see how many people jump on you for it.

I've yet to see a Bible verse in support of gay marriage. The only one I can think of is when Jesus said let things of the state be of the state and things of god be of god.

I don't really care if zzz is for/against gay marriage but if he (and this isn't just Catholics, Mormons too) tithes and lives in California (I don't know if he does) then he should be aware he funded the Prop 8 propaganda - which I do have a problem.

He told you!!! There's not just 1, but 2 lines!

I take the Bible as it is and I apply a little common sense of my own and modern culture and where my moral standards lie, and that's how I decide what's wrong and right

Those are Jewish laws.

The Old Testament is in the Christian bible too you know. Aside from that the Jewish community is way way way more accepting of homosexuality than Christianity or Mormonism.

But a lot of Christians consider it more background info than anything else and believe that the rules were re-written when Jesus came on the scene.

Well I want to come out and say that I am completely open to all sexualities, just don't pester me if your a *** guy :tramp:

And no, I'm neither from California nor old enough to have funded Prop 8 when I did live in California back in the 90's.


Truer words haven't been spoken in this thread

Just to clarify, what does this mean exactly? How would you react if some guy came on to you?

Not saying I'd punch his lights out, just turn him down in a nice/gentle manner. Like I said, I have no problems with homosexuals, just not interested in a relationship (and by relationship, I mean sexual).

But you'd be down with a non-physical romantic relationship?

@zzz: Ok, thanks for the clarification. My alarm usually goes off when someone says they don't have a problem with homosexuality "as long as no one tries anything".

Oh lord, you know what I mean :rolleyes:

I'd be perfectly fine being good friends with a *** guy (though, on average, we normally don't share many interests), but I retain my romantic interests for females

Would you be ok with having a non-physical romantic relationship with a guy (assuming your straight)?

Yeah, it's just sexual preference based is all, nothing to do with the fact that their ***.

I knew what you meant but it seemed an odd way to phrase it so I decided to poke fun at it. I need to stop being humorous.

took that one to heart, huh?

You mean bromance? Absolutely.

Meh, mainstream Judaism is, but Orthodox is a different matter.

Cut and Paste la,la,la!


Why Can't I Own a Canadian?
October 2002

Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a east coast resident, which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted fan,
Jim

haha

exactly.

Oh thank god (LOL GEDDIT?!)

:laughing:

5 down, 45 to go. Get after it New England!

Maine legalizes same-sex marriage - CNN.com

Holy fuck! Thanks for the heads up.

Stay in the loop baby. We're one away from a sweep.

I'm trying but it's damn hard. This shit broke like an hour ago...

New Hampshire is set to vote today I believe...(:

I'm deeply disappointed in my supposedly "Left Coast" region.

I know, right?

It's moving forward. All three west coast states have legislation which recognizes same-sex relationships and gives same-sex couples the same rights as opposite-sex couples (I believe the governor of Washington is set to sign the latest bill expanding the rights of same-sex couples in a few weeks). It's only a matter of time before they give full marriage rights to same-sex couples methinks...(: Same-sex couples...http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...wer/giggle.gif

I am too. But I'm really proud of my New England homeland for really leading charge here.

Apprently NH passed it, still waiting a sig.

Edit: That being said, California tends to be more show and less do. I'm hoping the increased pressure from Iowa, and lets so us, will once again commit them to, ya know, voting.

Having lived here for a little while now I have to say I agree.

and despite my traditional war on the west coast for who's the most liberal, theres something to be said for show.

Massachusetts kinda just did it. If we take a cue from the NRA (and who cares if you agree with them, a good idea is a good idea), the payoff is in the battle, not the win.

Keeping *** marriage in the national spotlight makes it more successful. They should get a national leader, and they should stick to winning principles. Argue on the grounds of "right to privacy" and "equality for all" and not the personal reasons that leftist pundits want to take it.

"everyone should have the right to find love" and the like is a losing strategy.

I just don't understand why they've never tried to appeal to their opposition - the Republican/Conservatives - and argue that the state should have no role in marriage and all that small government crap they get hard for.

I just wish Washington would do it quicker =[ we're so democratic to I don't see it have any problems. It's probably all those goddamn hicks east of the mountains.

When have republicans ever done anything to suggest they want small government?

Well then it undermines their whole small government message they always harp on about. If they start saying they want government to intervene on social matters as intimate as marriage (which they do) it makes them appear to the general public to be Orwellian in their idea of what the role of government is - in a more directly stated manner that is. It doesn't seem to be an issue approached in a what's the role of the state? manner it's usually all emotive stuff like undermining the family and romance (as you already stated.)

Oh ethan.

the majority of people think its Orwellian? really?

Hang in there, they either elect Charlie Christ or they eradicate themselves. They ought to stop calling for Reagan, and start begging for Ford.

Small government means low taxes. and thats all it means.

Marriage, Terry Shivo, Patriot Act, Stem Cell...they aren't taxes. The great plains don't care.

What I was more getting at was if supports of gay marriage argue it in the right way the opposition can be backed into a corner to phrase it in a manner that would just be perceived as horrendous (e.g. it's the government's job to tell two consenting adults what their preferences out and who they can spend their lives with.)

I'm perfectly aware what the Republicans mean by small government - they don't mean lower taxes they mean lower it on the wealthy. Bush raised the taxes on the lower-middle/middle class to compensate for the people he gave tax cuts too. It's no coincidence that over his administration the middle class steadily started shrinking as more and more people started slipping below the poverty line.

As of tonight you can get married here in Maine.

Congratulations...:)