Oh yay, another political thread! (Prop 8, gay marriage stuff)

[Terrible Lizard]

Originally Posted by Anteater

"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents... some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new Dark Age."

- H.P. Lovecraft

Honestly, it doesn't even matter whether or not someone believes in the existence of a God or not. We'd all go mad simply from trying to comprehend an infinite entity in the first place, much less obtain evidence of such a being.

So.................

What do you think about gay marriage?

[khfreek]

Why the hell haven't I posted this yet? I could have sworn I had.

This man sums up my views on this Proposition perfectly.

[Predator]

Hatred and bigotry seem to bee thrown around quite a bit here, but maybe the reason it didn't pass is more along the lines of ignorance and fear. Is the fear founded? no, but fear is fear. There are still people that have only been exposed to homosexuals on TV and they aren't always portrayed in a positive light. I'll grant that some votes were cast based on hatred and bigotry, but many were cast out of ignorance. Some people seem to still believe that same sex marriage will destroy what "conventional" marriage stands for. I can say that my marriage will mean no less when (I say when because it will become legal) two men are legally married. Education is key, show people why they are wrong rather than just protesting and yelling that they are hate filled bigots.

[Janszoon]

Originally Posted by Predator

Hatred and bigotry seem to bee thrown around quite a bit here, but maybe the reason it didn't pass is more along the lines of ignorance and fear.

Hatred and bigotry are usually the product of ignorance and fear.

[jibber]

Originally Posted by Predator

Hatred and bigotry seem to bee thrown around quite a bit here, but maybe the reason it didn't pass is more along the lines of ignorance and fear. Is the fear founded? no, but fear is fear. There are still people that have only been exposed to homosexuals on TV and they aren't always portrayed in a positive light. I'll grant that some votes were cast based on hatred and bigotry, but many were cast out of ignorance. Some people seem to still believe that same sex marriage will destroy what "conventional" marriage stands for. I can say that my marriage will mean no less when (I say when because it will become legal) two men are legally married. Education is key, show people why they are wrong rather than just protesting and yelling that they are hate filled bigots.

great point, I completely agree that the solution to hatred and bigotry is with education, and yet I can not absolve the people who voted this in of blame. This is not a backwater village in a third world country. education, enough education rather, is available for those who want it, and who value it. Your right that the problem is fear, but I just can't acquit people of having a lack of human decency if they voted in a proposition to deny someone a right that will have no effect on them whatsoever.

[Applenux]

Originally Posted by JayJamJah

That's absurd. In France people are much more bigoted. When I visited I was refused service twice because I was American.

You met french anti-american *******s. I feel sorry that's how you see french peoples, now.

Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Yeah I'm not sure where this came from. First of all, being an aetheist generally means that you're far more biggoted toward religious people than religious people are toward atheists.

I've never heard about atheist killing thousands and thousands of people because they are religious.

And french politic system isn't religious, or atheist : it is laique. That mean that nobody can say "this new law is against my beliefs", even if he is catholic, atheist, jew, muslim ...

[The Unfan]

Originally Posted by Double X

Marriage simply means union. A marriage of two words is a phrase sometimes used. A marriage is a union between two people.

Or more. Which is also why I'm all for polygamist marriages, but thats not happening any time soon.

[TheBig3]

Originally Posted by Applenux

I've never heard about atheist killing thousands and thousands of people because they are religious.

Why would aethists kill because their religious?

If you're saying you've never heard of aethists killing anyone; Hitler, Pol Pot, Castro...

[streetwaves]

Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Why would aethists kill because their religious?

If you're saying you've never heard of aethists killing anyone; Hitler, Pol Pot, Castro...

You silly boy. Athiests have never killed in the name of atheism or because they are atheists. Why would they? As for Hitler being an atheist, that's often disputed. Don't just call him an athiest to try to make some point (as invalid as it is), he contradicts himself too much for almost anyone to say.

There's a quote that I think sums up this sort of thing perfectly:
"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things it takes religion."

[Applenux]

TheBig3Something -> The difference is Hitler didn't killed people in the name of atheism.