Oh yay, another political thread! (Prop 8, gay marriage stuff)

[Alfred]

Well, I'm done here. If I was just misinterpreting streetwaves, I apologize for the trouble.

[streetwaves]

Originally Posted by Alfred

Christians base their beliefs on the Bible. Since there isn't proof on whether it is true or not, and many people think it is bullshit, the Christian needs faith.

So you admit there's no proof for the Bible, but you (I'm assuming you're Christian?) have faith. Unfortunately, that argument means absolutely nothing to anyone rational. Every theist has faith in their religious beliefs, and an equally absent amount of evidence to back them up. Faith is not a good enough reason to choose one religion over another, or to believe in any of them at all. Religious people will undoubtedly stick to the same old arguments as long as these conversations are had, but I wish at some point they'd realize that their points hold zero weight. I can have faith in any number of things, and you wouldn't be able to prove me wrong, but that doesn't mean that I'm not. I mean no disrespect, but it's hard to sound nice about these things (for me, at least).

Originally Posted by wolverinewolfweiselpigeon

Let's not turn another thread into a religious debate.

It's sort of unrealistic to hope that a thread about *** marriage is going to be clean of religious debate, considering the opposition to equal rights is primarily religious. It'd be impossible to ignore the elephant in the room.

[Alfred]

Originally Posted by streetwaves

So you admit there's no proof for the Bible, but you (I'm assuming you're Christian?) have faith. Unfortunately, that argument means absolutely nothing to anyone rational. Every theist has faith in their religious beliefs, and an equally absent amount of evidence to back them up. Faith is not a good enough reason to choose one religion over another, or to believe in any of them at all. Religious people will undoubtedly stick to the same old arguments as long as these conversations are had, but I wish at some point they'd realize that their points hold zero weight. I can have faith in any number of things, and you wouldn't be able to prove me wrong, but that doesn't mean that I'm not. I mean no disrespect, but it's hard to sound nice about these things (for me, at least).

Yes, I am a Christian.

Your argument makes sense, and yes, I admit, there is no proof for the existance of God.

No offense taken.

[WWWP]

Originally Posted by streetwaves

It's sort of unrealistic to hope that a thread about *** marriage is going to be clean of religious debate, considering the opposition to equal rights is primarily religious. It'd be impossible to ignore the elephant in the room.

Touché.

[Janszoon]

Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

...so then he is?

A self-identified agnostic or apatheist.

[adidasss]

Anyone else read the thread title as "Oy vey"? :|

[Anteater]

"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents... some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new Dark Age."

- H.P. Lovecraft

Honestly, it doesn't even matter whether or not someone believes in the existence of a God or not. We'd all go mad simply from trying to comprehend an infinite entity in the first place, much less obtain evidence of such a being.

[Double X]

I always keep thinking that we will move forward, and we can't be that worse than Europe of social reforms, and then this shit happens...

In my SS class when we have discussions about politics I 'discussed' gay marriage to the point of where I stopped talking because my friend was getting really pissed at me.

Originally Posted by Applenux

ht-tp://en.wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Homosexuality#Sexual_behavior
As you can see in the map, *** marriage isn't allowed in France, but there is a *** union, and contrary to USA, in the entire country.
Our problem is that the word "mariage" (I bet you'll understand the meaning) means litterally "union of people of opposite sexes", so "*** marriage" is a oxymoron, and is, basically, impossible.

Marriage simply means union. A marriage of two words is a phrase sometimes used. A marriage is a union between two people. A long history of religion giving us the idea that it is ONLY between opposite sex has drilled this crap into our heads.

[lucifer_sam]

Gay marriage is so gay.

[Son of JayJamJah]

Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

...so then he is?

He is an agnostic.

Did you see Religilous?