Oh yay, another political thread! (Prop 8, gay marriage stuff)

[adidasss]

My guess would be that pansexuals are attracted to a person regardless of their sex, while bisexuals might go through phases of attraction to a certain gender?

We have a few pansexuals/bisexuals I think, maybe they can shed some light on the subject.

[DoctorSoft]

I'm pretty sure the difference is that pansexuals are attracted to transexuals, intersex people and transgender. Where I'm just attracted to men and women, someone like IL Duce is attracted to all different types of sex and genders.

[Key]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/us...egal.html?_r=1

Finally.

[Hitch]

Originally Posted by Ki

Finally.

Good on him. Whilst I've always remained skeptical about Obama in general, he does seem to pack some nerve and steel amidst all the generic and disinterested "I appeal to all" statements he had always issued.

Isn't this also on the same day as North Carolina banning same-sex marriage? Sometimes I wish public opinion didn't have a say...

[ThePhanastasio]

I do worry about this.

While I support Obama wholly, in addition to being gay...hence supporting gay marriage wholly...I don't think that was a particularly advantageous political move.

It's been estimated that 1/10 people are LGBT in America. With that, he's looking at potentially gaining 10% of the vote, but many states are wholly against the concept of gay marriage.

If I were Obama, I'd have come out about supporting gay marriage, but not until after the election. While I think that economic issues are more pressing matters, I feel like that one statement could be damning for him. I feel that it is likely in response to Biden's interview in support of gay marriage, but still...I don't see this helping him in the general election.

[WWWP]

^ All of those reasons make me respect him more for it. I'd like to think I'd have done the same thing in his position. **** votes, I'm more concerned with human rights.

[Key]

Originally Posted by ThePhanastasio

I do worry about this.

While I support Obama wholly, in addition to being gay...hence supporting gay marriage wholly...I don't think that was a particularly advantageous political move.

It's been estimated that 1/10 people are LGBT in America. With that, he's looking at potentially gaining 10% of the vote, but many states are wholly against the concept of gay marriage.

If I were Obama, I'd have come out about supporting gay marriage, but not until after the election. While I think that economic issues are more pressing matters, I feel like that one statement could be damning for him. I feel that it is likely in response to Biden's interview in support of gay marriage, but still...I don't see this helping him in the general election.

You bring up some good points, but regardless of what votes he gets, I think it says a lot about Obama's character that he is open about this issue instead of being quiet about it. He'll grow a lot of respect from people.

[ThePhanastasio]

He's grown a lot of respect from me, but America may not be ready to embrace gay marriage.

Mitt Romney honestly seems like a nice guy, but he'd set us back at least 8-12 years, I feel.

Obama is sincere and trying to help with the worst deficit since the Great Depression, but people have no idea what's going on....they turn to FoxNews for answers, and answers are not to be had there.

It's a horrible place to be. He has at least 75,000 balls to say this during an election year, though.

[Arya Stark]

Originally Posted by ThePhanastasio

I do worry about this.

While I support Obama wholly, in addition to being gay...hence supporting gay marriage wholly...I don't think that was a particularly advantageous political move.

It's been estimated that 1/10 people are LGBT in America. With that, he's looking at potentially gaining 10% of the vote, but many states are wholly against the concept of gay marriage.

If I were Obama, I'd have come out about supporting gay marriage, but not until after the election. While I think that economic issues are more pressing matters, I feel like that one statement could be damning for him. I feel that it is likely in response to Biden's interview in support of gay marriage, but still...I don't see this helping him in the general election.

That's my view.
I get standing for rights and everything. But I need him to win over Romney, and I'm afraid that he's set himself back by saying this.
I feel like either way he had the LGBTQ vote over Romney anyway, so it wasn't reeeally necessary to say that.

Some people are saying he did it to be popular, but I don't think this makes him popular.

[Key]

Originally Posted by ThePhanastasio

He's grown a lot of respect from me, but America may not be ready to embrace gay marriage.

Mitt Romney honestly seems like a nice guy, but he'd set us back at least 8-12 years, I feel.

Obama is sincere and trying to help with the worst deficit since the Great Depression, but people have no idea what's going on....they turn to FoxNews for answers, and answers are not to be had there.

It's a horrible place to be. He has at least 75,000 balls to say this during an election year, though.

Respect alone will help him in the long run. Regardless if Republicans feel he is talking out of his ass, or if he's just trying to get votes. As Sugar said, I don't think he's doing this for popularity, but I do think that some influence of what he said did indeed come from what Biden said about the issue.

To be fair though, Obama was never totally against same sex marriage, he never said he thinks it's wrong or sinful. He was more in between of the issue.