Good convo..
Western society was built upon 'the family' and marrige...
Im kind of used to the fact that ***s can marry and whatever, it doesnt bother me any more. But i do think that it is making something (marrige/the family) that our countries were built upon into a meaningless farse.
i dont understand why people need to feel like they are accepted by society (***s being allowed to get married) when they know that they arent..if this PC cycle of looking out for the minority continues we are going to have every weird little group with their strange ideas wanting new legislation and laws to cater to their needs and wants.
just putting the other side out there...:)

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Next thing you know a black man might get elected president, our nation wasn't built on those values!

Yeah, fuck civil rights.

Edited post: Woah, the post I replied to just vanished! Spooky!

Its not a matter of civil rights..... sorry to surprise you but there is right and wrong...there is absolute truth... not everyone can go around doing whatever they want..

You just referred to the "PC cycle of looking out for the minority". Do you disagree that most civil rights battles have involved minorities?

Its all lies. Everyone tries to keep the white man down these days!! :mad:

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Yes and no..which civil rights battles are you referring to? Women?..African americans?..

When I commented on the PC cycle and minorities my intention was not to discredit civil rights etc..it was to simply say that we cant have everyone who is a minority thinking that they can change government legislation and law to fit into their preferences..

I was making the point that just because they want to and they think its right doesnt meant they can do it....

There is truth and not everything is relative to how you feel or what you want...

Why not?

Isn't the point of a government to represent ALL it's people?

sorry to suprise you but there is no right and wrong, there is no absolute truth, and everyone does go around doing whatever they want.


seriously, is there some giant boulder that the collective public with social and emotional iq's below 70 all live under?

church.

I am referring to any civil right battle that has involved a minority.

Right. And I was saying "fuck civil rights" because that is precisely what the kind of opinion you are espousing here leads to, the fucking over of the civil rights of minorities.

What you are doing is digging a deeper hole for yourself. You are making the exact same argument that fans of the status quo always make when a civil rights issue is raised.

America (**** the rest of the western civilization!) was founded on freedom from religion and tea taxes. Family has nothing to do with either and it is important to get rid of all religious notions of what marriage stands for in context of how the government treats marriage. Once you do that, then the only issue ever should be consent. If people consent to being married it should be their right. Any other stance on the issue is just bigoted.

hahahahahahaha

If everything is relative to how I feel/think about something then if i feel/think that its right to go steal your wallet then i should be allowed to do that....because there is no absolute truth. There is no moral compass to let me know what right or wrong..

Im not talking about the specific issue of ***s marrying here just weather or not you think there is some kind of moral compass..some kind of absolute truth...where something is really right and wrong...

Killing someone is wrong, loving someone is not.

QFTW.

Why does there have to be absolute truth for someone to understand that stealing harms the victim? All you need is empathy, not absolute truth.

And how would you know that, if everything is relative to how a person thinks or feels about that?

What if i thought that killing someone was ok and loving them wasn't... One of them has to be right or wrong?yes?

So what your saying is you don't have any notion of right or wrong at all , you just need to be told them and then you'll blindly follow.

Holy crap. And here I thought we were going to have an intelligent conversation, maybe even a civil one. Oh well...hopeful wishing eh?

Anyways...it seems pro-love has won this round...again. Some very good points have arised, and once again the opposition has failed to issue an un-bigoted, un-biased, truelly intelligent counter to the table.

The funniest thing about these kinds of conversations is that the absolute truth people always wind up making themselves look like the worst kind of moral relativists imaginable.

Eh? As long as it doesn't harm other people then why not? The whole point of civil rights is people should have as much freedoms as possible without inflicting damage on others.

"whatever morals i believe in should be believed by everyone, and if you don't agree then you are wrong."

<3 humanity.

I don't ever recall there being mass protests about making murder or theft legal , but perhaps i'm wrong.

Close. There is no absolute moral compass, but what should be legally permissable in my opinion is that which doesn't cause harm, and that which is consented to. Stealing my wallet causes fiscal harm to me, therefore should not be permissable.

yes, but what if i steal your wallet which prevents you from buying a condom which, because of your common sense, prevents you from ****ing a bitch who has AIDS, thus preventing you from contracting AIDS.


pataphysics ftw, and you're welcome.

Did I say that at all? No.

Anyway... Janzsoon seems to be the only one here who can put up a decent argument against what I'm saying..id like to keep talking to janzsoon but oh well..

You compare two people getting married to theft and i'm the one not putting up a good argument?

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You are the only one that's NOT making a decent argument. Stealing is obviously wrong, even your moral compass should tell you that.

And honestly, how is two guys getting married any harm to you? I'm not talking about society or the sanctity of marriage, I'm talking about you personally. I want to hear your argument for that.

Well, I'm still here if you want to keep talking to me. You didn't reply to the last post I directed your way (second post from the top on page 15).

I never compared those two things... i think that there were two kind of topics there..with the *** marrige thing and as i said in my first post in this thread i dont have a huge problem with it... then i went on to talk about truth and relativity etc.

Of course stealing is wrong i never said it wasnt. I was using it as an example...

When was a something being right or wrong a matter of weather it harms someone or not?

Janzsoon i will reply...Just a bit busy at work:)

It's always been that way... for instance:

If there was only one organism (let's say a human) that ever lived, and he was all alone, that human could do no good or bad in his life. Because doing positive or negative things requires interaction.

The amount of harm an act causes other people might not matter as far as your own personal morality goes, but as far as the law goes, I see no reason to enact and enforce laws based on some arbitrary "moral" code, particularly when that moral code is rife with discrimination against people based on their sexual preferences.

Hey Wendycal, why don't you fuck off and die?

Here's a bit of good news I just came across.

(CNN) -- A Florida circuit judge declared unconstitutional Tuesday a 31-year-old state law that prevents ***s and lesbians from adopting children, saying "the blanket exclusion" of *** applicants "defeated Florida's goal of providing dependent children a permanent family."