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Old 04-07-2009, 10:38 PM   #271 (permalink)
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Old 04-07-2009, 10:43 PM   #272 (permalink)
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"Vermont opened an important back door," Pizer said. "Now it has invited *** people to enter through the front door of marriage."
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Old 04-07-2009, 11:07 PM   #273 (permalink)
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Old 04-07-2009, 11:10 PM   #274 (permalink)
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Well we got Vermont and somewhat DC guys!

Now if we could only get that darned old Mississippi.
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Old 04-10-2009, 02:12 PM   #275 (permalink)
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it's a trick argument. this is exactly what they want everyone fighting over - either way, they win. don't fight against the government not recognizing gay marriages, fight against the government recognizing straight marriages. the government should have nothing to do with marriage. if you want to scoot off to your local church with your significant other and exchange rings and have some senile old fuck in a robe sprinkle magic fairy dust over your heads and read a coupla passages from some science fiction book, go right ahead, call yourselves married - but the government should look at you as an individual and an individual only.
I would agree with this somewhat. However, since marriage is already government recognized and it has tax benefits that would be a losing battle. So, I figure if the government can recognize some marriage it has to recognize all marriages. Since not everyone believes in the G-man the government has to recognize secular marriage to remain fair. Besides, seperation of church and state, it can't recognize a religious institution therefor the very admittance of government recognized marriage means that they're saying its a legal thing, not a religious thing.
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Old 04-10-2009, 02:21 PM   #276 (permalink)
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I would agree with this somewhat. However, since marriage is already government recognized and it has tax benefits that would be a losing battle. So, I figure if the government can recognize some marriage it has to recognize all marriages. Since not everyone believes in the G-man the government has to recognize secular marriage to remain fair. Besides, seperation of church and state, it can't recognize a religious institution therefor the very admittance of government recognized marriage means that they're saying its a legal thing, not a religious thing.
I agree with all of this. In theory Wayfarer's idea of getting rid of government sanctioned marriage altogether is something I agree with, but in practice one has to recognize that opponents of same-sex marriage already feel that the institution of marriage in under attack. Pushing to get rid of government recognition of straight marriages would make those people really feel under attack and cause them to fight even harder against same-sex marriage.
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Old 04-10-2009, 02:25 PM   #277 (permalink)
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I have nothing wrong with *** marriage.

Everyone may now proceed to jump on me about being a Christian and being okay with *** marriage and how it's contradictory and blah blah blah
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Old 04-10-2009, 02:27 PM   #278 (permalink)
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I have nothing wrong with *** marriage.

Everyone may now proceed to jump on me about being a Christian and being okay with *** marriage and how it's contradictory and blah blah blah
Why would people jump on you? I wish more Christians had no problem with gay marriage.
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Old 04-10-2009, 02:35 PM   #279 (permalink)
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yeah I'm not sure people are going to flip out. And its really not contradictory.

From my point of view, the bible will contradict itself. If you're Christian, theres an overwhelimg amount of support on the pro-*** marriage side than the one line against.
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Old 04-10-2009, 02:36 PM   #280 (permalink)
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yeah I'm not sure people are going to flip out. And its really not contradictory.

From my point of view, the bible will contradict itself. If you're Christian, theres an overwhelimg amount of support on the pro-*** marriage side than the one line against.
Trust me, lots of non-believers love running off on a tangent about one-liners and small details, they fail to see the big picture
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