Oh yay, another political thread! (Prop 8, gay marriage stuff)

[Janszoon]

I just have trouble understanding why they aren't content to simply live and let. Why do they have to try to impose their shit on everybody else? I know, rational thinking has no place in trying to figure out why homophobes do what they do.

[Son of JayJamJah]

Originally Posted by Janszoon

I just have trouble understanding why they aren't content to simply live and let. Why do they have to try to impose their shit on everybody else? I know, rational thinking has no place in trying to figure out why homophobes do what they do.

They are scared. They have put their faith in God an there not sure he's gonna answer.

[Janszoon]

Originally Posted by JayJamJah

They are scared. They have put their faith in God an there not sure he's gonna answer.

If they really have faith in God, human laws shouldn't matter to them. It just goes to show what a bunch of hypocritical pricks they are.

[sleepy jack]

They need to live their schizophrenic discourses with space gods to themselves though. Every argument presented is faulty or full of holes. There is no sanctity and tradition of marriage to protect, historically it was about property and wealth. Polygamy and incest are historical characteristics of marriage: not love. I don't understand the sociological argument either. If a married couple gets a divorce because of homosexual marriage then they probably wouldn't have weathered anything couples go through anyway. No stable relationship is going to be threatened by this. The argument that it will harm the children's psyche isn't true either. Anti-homosexual agendas are not based in morals and values at all and the propaganda they pushed was absurd. Heterosexuality and homosexuality are not taught in schools. I'd actually say the prop 8 brigade is doing social damage to children. By demonizing homosexuality they're inflicting more harms on impressionable children because they're teaching them to be bigoted and that people aren't different.

[Son of JayJamJah]

The problem is your trying to use logic and think it through rationally and when you do that the bible and religious morals become complete BS. As you might imagine the conservative religious right doesn't go down that path too often.

[sleepy jack]

Shit like this makes me hate American culture. I can't escape religious fanaticism that seems to drive so many people or worse the religious pacifism that so many people in our society feel which leads to complacency and acceptance; not acceptance in the real and honest sense of the word but acceptance of the hideous and hateful things these institutions support and force on everyone. Religion is probably the most evil organization on the planet as far as killing people goes and I'd love to be rid of it but unless I live in a shack somewhere in the mountains its going to dictate the way everything in this society moves; not just in society and our leaders but in the abstract sense of the ideologies we promote and countries we support or destroy.

[Anteater]

Well whoopty goddamndy doo!!! Cmon Ethan and Co., quit overgeneralizing this and realize that religion is not the root of all evil in this day and age. Idiots will always be idiots regardless of the source they cling to in place of their mental faculties, whether it be religion, the words of others, the media, etc. Also, there are plenty of folks here on the lower rungs of the societal ladder who are perfectly content to live in peace with oneanother despite our differences in theologic perception. Or are you saying that logical thought and a desire for harmony is beyond a Non-Denominational Christian like myself?

People need to be less concerned about society at large and instead work on rectifying their own behaviors. Only then will change (hopefully for the better) arrive in due course.

[sleepy jack]

Really? So you think by taking away rights from a minority they're promoting harmony? I really can't even begin to understand how religion isn't in the wrong here. Perhaps you could explain this to me.

I'm also curious to see how you can justify that religion teaches logical thought; seeing as faith is a very irrational thing and the bible has been proven time and time again to be historically inaccurate.

[Inuzuka Skysword]

I would say I am a very religious person yet I am politically active for a moral government in which the morals are grounded in reality. Basically an Objectivist government. Now I would debate, but I have school work to do. I am also a pacifist, but that is based on my religion so I don't force my government to turn that way.

[Anteater]

Originally Posted by sleepy jack

Really? So you think by taking away rights from a minority they're promoting harmony? I really can't even begin to understand how religion isn't in the wrong here. Perhaps you could explain this to me.

I'm also curious to see how you can justify that religion teaches logical thought; seeing as faith is a very irrational thing and the bible has been proven time and time again to be historically inaccurate.

You missed my point entirelly. I didn't say I supported the Bible or that the tome promoted logical thought now did I? I'm simply saying that people will discriminate and do awful things to one-another even if it isn't fueled by some kind of theistic/polytheistic dogma.

Second, I was also making a point that many people who profess to the Christian faith DO wish to live in peace with other people around them, and that from what I've been reading you appear to be generalizing that just because the Bible seems to encourage racism, sexism, ect in certain passages it entails that all Christians in the world RIGHT NOW follow those passages to the letter, which is not true at all.