Oh yay, another political thread! (Prop 8, gay marriage stuff)

[Son of JayJamJah]

That There says it all:

"The motivation behind this mean-spirited and heart-breaking action should not be allowed to be buried in legal brief," he said. "If Proposition 8's sponsors plan to destroy lives, they should at least have the courage to admit it publicly."

[sleepy jack]

The government needs to reexamine how separate the church is from the state. If an organization wants to donate millions of dollars to a political cause and intervene in state affairs, they should be forced to pay taxes.

[Son of JayJamJah]

Originally Posted by sleepy jack

The government needs to reexamine how separated the church is from the state.

That's sort of a myth; but that's not the point of this discussion; it's just about having common sense and decency and seeing this is mean spirited behavior that benefits no one and hurts many.

[Janszoon]

Originally Posted by JayJamJah

That's sort of a myth; but that's not the point of this discussion; it's just about having common sense and decency and seeing this is mean spirited behavior that benefits no one an hurts many.

Oh but it benefits the "Save Marriage" jackasses because they'll be able to sleep well at night knowing that they saved some abstract concept of marriage by helping to destroy thousands of real, existing marriages.

[sleepy jack]

I can at least dream can't I? Anyway my bigger problem here is the government getting too involved in social issues. Marriage should not be up to the federal government, nor should it be up to the state. The government should recognize all forms of civil unions as civil unions for tax breaks, benefit purposes, etc. but that is where their authority should end. What people call it should be up to them, that way the religious right can live in its world blissfully unaware of the modern world they lie in and everyone can have equal civil rights.

[Son of JayJamJah]

Originally Posted by sleepy jack

I can at least dream can't I? Anyway my bigger problem here is the government getting too involved in social issues. Marriage should not be up to the federal government, nor should it be up to the state. The government should recognize all forms of civil unions as civil unions for tax breaks, benefit purposes, etc. but that is where their authority should end. What people call it should be up to them, that way the religious right can live in its world blissfully unaware of the modern world they lie in and everyone can have equal civil rights.

Yep

No problem if a church doesn't want to recognize *** marriage; the priests are more into one night kneels err stands anyway.

[Janszoon]

Originally Posted by JayJamJah

Yep

No problem if a church doesn't want to recognize *** marriage; the priests are more into one night kneels err stands anyway.

That's what makes me want to bang my head against the wall with this stuff. No one's saying churches have to marry same-sex couples if they don't want to so I really don't see why these people have such an issue with it.

[sleepy jack]

Because they need to protect "traditional" marriage even though their idea of marrying for (heterosexual) love is very far from traditional.

[Son of JayJamJah]

Originally Posted by sleepy jack

Because they need to protect "traditional" marriage even though their idea of marrying for (heterosexual) love is very far from traditional.

When it's of religious motivation it's because they are lairs and they don't know for sure, they have doubt, so they need everyone else to believe what they believe. It's cowardly and it's dishonest.

[sleepy jack]

I just don't understand social conservatives; they go on about "values" and "traditions" and restoring America to a more "righteous" and "better" time but that time never actually existed.