Paris Palin (single, American, goth, members, reviews)

dac · 10-29-2008, 01:16 PM

What's worse, Palin's wardrobe, or the smear campaigns of each candidate against the other that undoubtedly costs more than $150k? I rest my case.

Son of JayJamJah · 10-29-2008, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jibber

Here's a quick rundown. Palin wanted a police officer fired. That police officer had recently divorced her sister. It screams of conflict of interest, but it can not be proven that that was her actual motive. The illegal part happened when she and her husband bullied said police officer's superior to fire the guy. When he refused, she fired him. As governor, she has the right to fire and hire at will, that was not the issue. the issue was that she used her position of power to bully the police chief, and because of that, was found to have abused her power.

Now, I am not as cynical as you are with regards to politicians. Yes, every political system has been marred with some sort of scandal. Yet, as of yet, there is no strong evidence of Obama or Biden actually abusing their power as members of the senate. Just because you don't feel you can fix it, does not mean that you have to be apathetic about it.

Your idea of how to improve the system is a good one, and yet it takes time. You can't overhaul the system in one night just by wishing it. I'd like to know what you have heard attached to Obama and Biden in terms of abuse of power, because I certainly have heard no indication of it.

Joe Biden's son is a lobbyist. That is a conflict of interest in my opinion. Also he is a lair. He's claimed Obama was not ready for president and now he claims he's America's best hope.

Obama has no charisma, no personality and has gone from a forward logic thinking realist (as he was in his Podcast 2005-2007) to a cliche sputtering puppet no different then second term Bush.

Yes I'm very jaded and cynical to the process but I've been through it too many times I worked with Carter's campaign and Reagan only to find fake promises and more of the same old same old.

I have to say I think your feeling on wealth distribution is noble, however m gripe is with it being forced. America is a country built on personal freedom. I have a colleague who between speaking engagements and his annual take home probably makes 5-6 million a year. Last Christmas he donated $500,000 to The Gates Foundation, this year he'll do the same for that or another worthy cause.

People are inherently good for the most part, government attracts the most corrupt and morally weak people because you need those attributes to succeed within the system. I want the people to use the money to help the less fortunate in a way they seem fit. Not have their money taken from them by essentially a corporation with a century long track record of failed initiatives and agendas. Especially when reality is most of that money is not used to move forward but to fix the mistakes of the past.

To anyone is the middle or lower-middle class of America who wishes those who've worked harder to achieve greater personal wealth should give the majority of their money to those less fortunate. I'd ask why you're not sending 60% of your check to impoverished nations who are much less fortunate then you?

WendyCal · 10-30-2008, 02:03 PM

Have either of y'all heard of an "Hierarchy?" Most business in the US operate under one, where there's ONE GUY at the top, and then everything starts branching out. Now, in any disagreement, that ONE GUY that's at the top, has the FINAL say, on pretty much everything. When met with insubordination, the dissenter is usually either demoted or fired. Why? Because the company is trying to move toward something, and having a stick in the spokes is not good for business.

Our military and government operates the same way. Why?

Because good, bad or in-between, there's GOT to be a final authority, and that authority is generally known as The Boss.

The thing is, we just went through it, right here, with Ethan abusing his power, and no one said a word. That was fine, because he was a MOD (authority) and i was just a member? And the length of time it continued was fine, also? It continued until i finally started notifying (and REnotifying and RE-REnotifying) the other MODs, and, now? At least one of them won't even take my PM's, because of the ruckus i caused (oh, yes, i am being blamed for Ethan's departure) because, get this, I MADE HIM LOSE CONTROL OF HIMSELF. Huh?

Without airing any more dirty laundry, y'all were down with it here because you saw the beauty of it (Ethan IS more valuable to this Forum than i could ever be),

but then turn around and state, categorically, that you stand against that sort of behaviour and would do anything in your power to change our government from using the heirarchial pattern?

Your actions have spoken for you...

Dr_Rez · 10-30-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by WendyCal

The thing is, we just went through it, right here, with Ethan abusing his power, and no one said a word. That was fine, because he was a MOD (authority) and i was just a member? And the length of time it continued was fine, also? (It continued until i finally started notifying the other MODs, and, now? At least one of them won't even take my PM's, because of the ruckus i caused (oh, yes, i am being blamed for Ethan's departure) because, get this, I MADE HIM LOSE CONTROL OF HIMSELF.

Leave the guy alone for ****'s sake. He does a lot for the forum. What do you do to help? Most of your posts are not even in the Music Forums, do you have any album reviews, or have you helped settle anything???...

lucifer_sam · 10-30-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by WendyCal

Have either of y'all heard of an "Hierarchy?" Most business in the US operate under one, where there's ONE GUY at the top, and then everything starts branching out. Now, in any disagreement, that ONE GUY that's at the top, has the FINAL say, on pretty much everything. When met with insubordination, the dissenter is usually either demoted or fired. Why? Because the company is trying to move toward something, and having a stick in the spokes is not good for business.

Our military operates the same way. Why?

Because good, bad or in-between, there's GOT to be a final authority, and that authority is generally known as The Boss.

The thing is, we just went through it, right here, with Ethan abusing his power, and no one said a word. That was fine, because he was a MOD (authority) and i was just a member? And the length of time it continued was fine, also? (It continued until i finally started notifying the other MODs, and, now? At least one of them won't even take my PM's, because of the ruckus i caused (oh, yes, i am being blamed for Ethan's departure) because, get this, I MADE HIM LOSE CONTROL OF HIMSELF.

Without airing anymore dirty laundry, y'all were down with it here because you saw the beauty of it (Ethan IS more valuable to this Forum than i could ever be),

and then turn around and state, categorically, that you stand against that sort of behaviour and would do anything in your power to change our government from using the heirarchial pattern.

Not good.

Ethan actually contributed to the music forums. A good bit. Which you've yet to do. So excuse us if we don't empathize with you.

Quit acting so infantile. Or get the fuck out. It's really that simple.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 10-30-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WendyCal

The thing is, we just went through it, right here, with Ethan abusing his power, and no one said a word. That was fine, because he was a MOD (authority) and i was just a member? And the length of time it continued was fine, also? It continued until i finally started notifying (and REnotifying and RE-REnotifying) the other MODs, and, now? At least one of them won't even take my PM's, because of the ruckus i caused (oh, yes, i am being blamed for Ethan's departure) because, get this, I MADE HIM LOSE CONTROL OF HIMSELF. Huh?

Without airing any more dirty laundry, y'all were down with it here because you saw the beauty of it (Ethan IS more valuable to this Forum than i could ever be),

See your doing it again. Using the forum as a mouthpiece for your own petty dramas. This is why people are getting fed up of you. I even told you as much yesterday.

Whatever happens between you & ethan I couldn't care less about. What does get on my nerves is that you constantly ignore anything that any of the mods ask you to do nicely. I asked you nicely to stop starting loads of anti Obama threads and post anything like this in the thread you already have. Not because of any political leanings on my part but because I was bored of them clogging up the lounge.
So what do you ? You start another one.
I ask you to stop bringing all your arguments to every thread , you do it again in this one , just one day after I asked you nicely.

And that's why I am refusing to take any of your PMs , because anytime I try & do something or help you you just ignore what I say and carry on as you normally do.

It's not because of your opinions you are disliked here it is the childish , attention seeking way you express them and your total disregard of the people who take the time to respond to them (God knows why they bother).

You say Ethan 'abused his power'. I disagree. I think he lost his patience with an attention seeking drama queen who repeatedly fails to comprehend the simplest of statements and who can't do so without causing a shitstorm. And quite honestly you should be lucky it was only one Mod who abused you because I know damn well i'm getting sick of all this crap and I am so close to telling you where you can stick your membership and I would hazard a guess there are quite a few other Mods who'll be only too happy to say the same thing to you.

I'm not paid for doing this , I don't have to be some kind of beacon of virtue to do this. I'm only human and I do have a limit and if I keep on having to read your spewing out this kind of crap in every thread eventually you'll push me past that limit. And by that point I probably wouldn't give two shits if you think i've abused my power or not.

lucifer_sam · 10-30-2008, 02:44 PM

anticipation · 10-30-2008, 03:12 PM

i don't understand why she hasn't been banned yet.

WendyCal · 10-30-2008, 03:12 PM

i think i said that Ethan IS more important ~ well, valuable ~ to this forum than i will EVER be.

THAT's a FACT, Jack!

i know it.

What i was addressing was your posts saying how horrible you thought that sort of behaviour is,

and i used MUTUAL EXPERIENCE to point out to you that even y'all are prone to use it.

Excuse me all to hell and gone.

WendyCal · 10-30-2008, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

See your doing it again. Using the forum as a mouthpiece for your own petty dramas. This is why people are getting fed up of you. I even told you as much yesterday.

Whatever happens between you & ethan I couldn't care less about. What does get on my nerves is that you constantly ignore anything that any of the mods ask you to do nicely. I asked you nicely to stop starting loads of anti Obama threads and post anything like this in the thread you already have. Not because of any political leanings on my part but because I was bored of them clogging up the lounge.
So what do you ? You start another one.
I ask you to stop bringing all your arguments to every thread , you do it again in this one , just one day after I asked you nicely.

And that's why I am refusing to take any of your PMs , because anytime I try & do something or help you you just ignore what I say and carry on as you normally do.

It's not because of your opinions you are disliked here it is the childish , attention seeking way you express them and your total disregard of the people who take the time to respond to them (God knows why they bother).

You say Ethan 'abused his power'. I disagree. I think he lost his patience with an attention seeking drama queen who repeatedly fails to comprehend the simplest of statements and who can't do so without causing a shitstorm. And quite honestly you should be lucky it was only one Mod who abused you because I know damn well i'm getting sick of all this crap and I am so close to telling you where you can stick your membership and I would hazard a guess there are quite a few other Mods who'll be only too happy to say the same thing to you.

I'm not paid for doing this , I don't have to be some kind of beacon of virtue to do this. I'm only human and I do have a limit and if I keep on having to read your spewing out this kind of crap in every thread eventually you'll push me past that limit. And by that point I probably wouldn't give two shits if you think i've abused my power or not.

Don't you see what you're telling me here?

Unless i submit ALL of my individuality to you, by heeding your advice, then i'm just too much trouble for you.

i can't believe you just posted that...

10-29-2008, 01:16 PM	#31 (permalink)
dac MB's Biggest Fanboy Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cloud Cuckoo Land Posts: 2,852	What's worse, Palin's wardrobe, or the smear campaigns of each candidate against the other that undoubtedly costs more than $150k? I rest my case. __________________

10-30-2008, 02:03 PM	#33 (permalink)
WendyCal Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 271	Have either of y'all heard of an "Hierarchy?" Most business in the US operate under one, where there's ONE GUY at the top, and then everything starts branching out. Now, in any disagreement, that ONE GUY that's at the top, has the FINAL say, on pretty much everything. When met with insubordination, the dissenter is usually either demoted or fired. Why? Because the company is trying to move toward something, and having a stick in the spokes is not good for business. Our military and government operates the same way. Why? Because good, bad or in-between, there's GOT to be a final authority, and that authority is generally known as The Boss. The thing is, we just went through it, right here, with Ethan abusing his power, and no one said a word. That was fine, because he was a MOD (authority) and i was just a member? And the length of time it continued was fine, also? It continued until i finally started notifying (and REnotifying and RE-REnotifying) the other MODs, and, now? At least one of them won't even take my PM's, because of the ruckus i caused (oh, yes, i am being blamed for Ethan's departure) because, get this, I MADE HIM LOSE CONTROL OF HIMSELF. Huh? Without airing any more dirty laundry, y'all were down with it here because you saw the beauty of it (Ethan IS more valuable to this Forum than i could ever be), but then turn around and state, categorically, that you stand against that sort of behaviour and would do anything in your power to change our government from using the heirarchial pattern? Your actions have spoken for you... Last edited by WendyCal; 10-30-2008 at 02:10 PM.

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10-30-2008, 03:12 PM	#38 (permalink)
anticipation Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,565	i don't understand why she hasn't been banned yet.

10-30-2008, 03:12 PM	#39 (permalink)
WendyCal Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 271	i think i said that Ethan IS more important ~ well, valuable ~ to this forum than i will EVER be. THAT's a FACT, Jack! i know it. What i was addressing was your posts saying how horrible you thought that sort of behaviour is, and i used MUTUAL EXPERIENCE to point out to you that even y'all are prone to use it. Excuse me all to hell and gone.