jibber

I posted those links in response to wendycal's idiotic doubt that Hussein had been proven to have had no ties to al-queda before the US invaded.

In the report, it says that CIA officials handed in reports saying that the ties were much weaker than bush had made out, and that was the big debate for years, weather or not bush and his administration went on with the war citing ties to al-queda as a reason when they knew the info to be faulty. That is up for debate so I will not go into it.

Again, we are disagreeing on the core issue of what constitutes a just invasion. You seem to believe that the hazy evidence the US did have before going to war was enough, while I am of the belief that there needed to be much, MUCH more concrete evidence. Like I said, it is a complete matter of opinion, and I doubt either of us will change.

On your last sentence, I don't share your opinion, mainly because I don't see that the US has any real control over either of the countries, and two, Iraq and Iran were always at odds, they even went to war. they were no allies before the war so having the US in "control" of the country hardly changes anything.

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lucifer_sam

It's between two fucking war zones. I'd say that's just about as goddamn close to "a tight spot" as you're gonna get.

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Predator

Hazy intelligence also said that there was an imminent attack planned within the U.S.

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TheBig3

You know the problem I've had here since the jump is that Intelligence reports seemed to be irrelvent.

The history of the countries, and the nature of the group (Al-Qaeda) should have told us 905 of what we needed to know.

We knew Saddam was a self-serving figure, unlikely to give up power at any level. He even attempted the murder of his own son because he thought he might usurp him.

We knew, as jibber said, that they had gone to war after the religious revolution in Iran becuase Iraq was a secular nation. This is history.

Why anyone wouldn't look at some of these reports we had, sketchy even to the lay man, and go with them blindly is beyond me. It flew in the face of the very history of the two countries and for whatever reason we choose to ignore that history, we have created a much more dangerous enemy for us.

It was the case that Saddam, fearing any challenge to power, killed anything resembling the religious revolution in Iran. What we had was, at the cost of allowing a mad man to run a country, and area where the extreamists could not gain traction. Now we have a veritable breeding ground.

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WendyCal

Gee, Jibber, to any intelligent person, the fact that the words 'plow shares' were in quotes would have been the first clue that it was an example. The dashes with some definitions/more examples would have clinched it, for the semi-intelligent.

Only the UNintelligent would have taken that to mean what it said, literally ~

everyone else would have realized that it was an example of a civil war, where the military has MUCH greater armaments, as well as strategies for fighting, than the citizens EVER will, regardless of whatever the citizenry is armed with.

[mumble, mumble] [mutter, mutter] Talk about a DUMBASS...!!! Cripes

WendyCal

Tsk, tsk... You and that sex fixation...

If smoking a bong is the same as giving head, to you...

The Unfan

With as incoherent as you are it takes a genius to get anything from any of your posts.

WendyCal

Then again, perhaps i'm not incoherent, and y'all have misunderstood some of the things i've talked about.

Just an idea...

jibber

Yes, the iraqi military has heavy artillery, but hundreds of resistance movements have been carried out against very well armed militaries, and been successful. You will never convince me or anyone else on this board that the sole reason iraqi's have not staged a MAJOR revolt was the lack of arms. Its the middle east, getting an automatic weapon is as easy as buying toothpaste, many times it's even easier.

It wasn't only that I was taking your post completely literally, I knew exactly what you were trying to say, I also knew that it was amazingly stupid.

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Dr_Rez

No. You're definitely incoherent.

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