Obama ~ The Issues (member, show, quotes, band, youtube)

Fruitonica · 10-23-2008, 07:55 PM

Indeed. What sort of Orwelian nightmare have I awoken in, where the government respects the hippocratic oath?

joyboyo53 · 10-23-2008, 07:58 PM

I really fail to see how the number of people being murdered in Chicago (a tragic event in itself) justifies that an equal number of Americans should be dying in an war we shouldnt be in in the first place and that is taxing our weak economy (700 billion and increasing).

Just as a reminder Senator Barrack Obama is a SENATOR for the ENTIRE STATE that serves a NATIONAL level.

You complain because he is undecided on whether life begins with conception or not... which is something nobody knows... would you rather him lie about it like someone else I know? This is another issue where the relgions really shoot themselves in the foot. So lets take a scenario. A girl in college gets raped and becomes pregnant. John McCain helped out 'joe the zealot' by making abortion illegal. So what options does she have? Spend the next 9 months, possibly ruining her posibilities in the future, having a baby? Then what, hold onto it so that she has a memory of the man who raped her living with her. Oh no, you people who dont have to carry the baby just want her to give it up for adoption... you know foster homes... the kind that more often than not raise a child that turns out to rape someone and get them pregnant. Instead why not turn to the bible and understand that Jesus says "Permit the children to come to Me; do not hinder them; for the Kingdom of God belongs to such as these", which many christians interpret to mean that babies who die goto heaven. But aparently to the christians that only works if the baby isnt aborted I guess, so they have to "save" the baby. I think in some (not all) cases abortion is "saving" the baby.

WendyCal · 10-24-2008, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by anticipation

go fuck yourself,

you don't live in illinois and therefore you don't know shit about illinois.

And since you don't know anything about where i (or my family) live or have lived, i would suggest that you take your own advice.

WendyCal · 10-24-2008, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Fal

Thanks for that post then. Just so you know, I'm about to go take a shit. Don't panic though, I WILL return. Give me 10 minutes or so.

That was uncalled for.

No one here is liable to think you've just 'run off' if you disappear for a while, are they?

Yeah, didn't think so.

Barnard17 · 10-24-2008, 10:10 AM

It's a forum, not a chatroom. Noone gives two shits.

WendyCal · 10-24-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Fal

You don't ...

1) You don't ......... really understand how a city's ENTIRE government works, do you? (e.g. The ins and outs of coordinating a city's budget with the overall big pic)

2) Gosh, i didn't realize i was in a 'debate club' ~ sort of thought posting that all the Obama quotes came from on the issues . com would suffice...

The thing i don't get? How come when i say anything, a source needs to be provided, yet, when y'all say something, it's just taken for granted? After seeing the warped outcome of y'all's comprehension of what you've read in my posts, i'd sort of like to see what you're interpreting FROM.

3) By your reasoning, there is no such thing as a law ~ just a piece of paper. No such thing a contract ~ just a piece of paper. No such thing as, well, anything that's written. (You really don't see how out in left field that line of thinking is?...)

What makes those pieces of paper hold the power they do are our values as a nation. i'm not here to talk about changing all of society ~ i had my chance, and we did it. If you have a problem with the values of America, you'll have to figure out how to change them, your own selves. (Been there, done that, got PLENTY of tie-dyed T-Shirts to prove it!

)

*** ~> Unfortunately, folks, in order to discuss the issues, we're going to have to use the mores of society (e.g. the laws) as our 'box.' You can think outside of the box all you want, but it really has no bearing on what we're discussing right here and now.

5) If you will click to see the actual quotes, you won't have any problem keeping up with where they came from. i have cited my source ~ i don't believe that 'debate club' requires me to provide complete documentation just because my opponent can't find it...

WendyCal · 10-24-2008, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Fal

It's a forum, not a chatroom. Noone gives two ****s.

How sweet of you to point that out to me!

There is a little problem with your statement, however:

You don't speak for everyone.

Barnard17 · 10-24-2008, 10:38 AM

Nope, sorry. Not feeling it. Once you've learned how to have a proper discussion, try again.

WendyCal · 10-24-2008, 10:45 AM

i don't watch TV, and missed this when it first came out, but i'd like to discuss it, if anyone would like...

It's from FOX ~ give me a break, here, folks, it's the ONLY channel that will show any of the investigative reports about Obama.

Even if you know you disagree, please watch with an open mind and see if you don't have some questions, also.

i'd rather this not devolve into a 'Wendy you are a Witch' thing, but whatever.

And i'm being real here ~ parts of this thing are unbelievable, and other parts seem like vendetta...

Well, just watch and then we can talk about it.

WendyCal · 10-24-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Fal

Nope, sorry. Not feeling it. Once you've learned how to have a proper discussion, try again.

You know, that's what i've just got to love ~

somehow or other, it's my fault that you can't carry on this debate.

Yeah. Uh-huh. Right.

You might be shocked to get out there on the net, into some other forums, and try making some of these types of posts.

They'd slap you down like a little gnat

and you would have neither the courage to stay

nor the intelligence to kick-back and learn something.

Aaaa ~ don't worry about it ~ we all go through it.

10-23-2008, 07:55 PM	#21 (permalink)
Fruitonica Pale and Wan Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aus Posts: 917	Indeed. What sort of Orwelian nightmare have I awoken in, where the government respects the hippocratic oath? Last edited by Fruitonica; 10-24-2008 at 08:48 AM.

10-24-2008, 10:45 AM	#29 (permalink)
WendyCal Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 271	Obama and Friends i don't watch TV, and missed this when it first came out, but i'd like to discuss it, if anyone would like... It's from FOX ~ give me a break, here, folks, it's the ONLY channel that will show any of the investigative reports about Obama. Even if you know you disagree, please watch with an open mind and see if you don't have some questions, also. i'd rather this not devolve into a 'Wendy you are a Witch' thing, but whatever. And i'm being real here ~ parts of this thing are unbelievable, and other parts seem like vendetta... Well, just watch and then we can talk about it.

10-23-2008, 07:58 PM	#22 (permalink)
joyboyo53 down the rabbit hole Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: the mountain called monkey Posts: 764	I really fail to see how the number of people being murdered in Chicago (a tragic event in itself) justifies that an equal number of Americans should be dying in an war we shouldnt be in in the first place and that is taxing our weak economy (700 billion and increasing). Just as a reminder Senator Barrack Obama is a SENATOR for the ENTIRE STATE that serves a NATIONAL level. You complain because he is undecided on whether life begins with conception or not... which is something nobody knows... would you rather him lie about it like someone else I know? This is another issue where the relgions really shoot themselves in the foot. So lets take a scenario. A girl in college gets raped and becomes pregnant. John McCain helped out 'joe the zealot' by making abortion illegal. So what options does she have? Spend the next 9 months, possibly ruining her posibilities in the future, having a baby? Then what, hold onto it so that she has a memory of the man who raped her living with her. Oh no, you people who dont have to carry the baby just want her to give it up for adoption... you know foster homes... the kind that more often than not raise a child that turns out to rape someone and get them pregnant. Instead why not turn to the bible and understand that Jesus says "Permit the children to come to Me; do not hinder them; for the Kingdom of God belongs to such as these", which many christians interpret to mean that babies who die goto heaven. But aparently to the christians that only works if the baby isnt aborted I guess, so they have to "save" the baby. I think in some (not all) cases abortion is "saving" the baby.

10-24-2008, 10:10 AM	#25 (permalink)
Barnard17 My home? Discabled, Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 204	It's a forum, not a chatroom. Noone gives two shits.

10-24-2008, 10:38 AM	#28 (permalink)
Barnard17 My home? Discabled, Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 204	Nope, sorry. Not feeling it. Once you've learned how to have a proper discussion, try again.