Obama ~ The Issues (ticket, Religious, magazine, income, quote)

jibber · 10-28-2008, 12:02 AM

^I know it was a long time ago that I posted it, but I brought it up again because on this page, you mentioned late term abortion and how awful it was that obama "flip flopped" on the issue. I thought I would clear it up once again, and as you brought up the issue just a few posts ago, no, i dont think Im late at all.

(and thank you, I thought the avatar was quite good)

TheBig3 · 10-28-2008, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by dac

One of the worst voting strategies I have ever seen. Examine the candidates on the issues please, do not vote for one simply because he supposedly offers you a slight financial benefit. Sure he'll give you 500, but maybe that 500 won't be worth as much with his economic strategy in place...

That's not necessarily what I believe or what will happen but seriously take a good look at who you're voting for.

You're suggesting I don't know the issues?

As for J x 3, I want you to understand that since I wrote a novella refuting the positions against Obama, and like every other masterwork I write for this place it was largely ignored, I'll no longer be attempting to intelligently discuss things.

Those who attempted to dissuade folks from voting for him here have discredited themselves. You're lucky I'm not posting fictitious screen shots of social networking programs mocking candidates like sweet nothing. Me putting up TaxCutFacts.org is playing nicely.

WendyCal · 10-28-2008, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jibber

^I know it was a long time ago that I posted it, but I brought it up again because on this page, you mentioned late term abortion and how awful it was that obama "flip flopped" on the issue. I thought I would clear it up once again, and as you brought up the issue just a few posts ago, no, i dont think Im late at all.

(and thank you, I thought the avatar was quite good)

No, i didn't mean that he was necessarily flip-flopping on it ~ he's voted pro-choice enough to let folks know where he stands. But read this:

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Originally Posted by On The Issues/2008 Democratic Compassion Forum at Messiah College Apr 13, 2008

Undecided on whether life begins at conception
Q: Do you personally believe that life begins at conception?
A: This is something that I have not come to a firm resolution on. I think it's very hard to know what that means, when life begins. Is it when a cell separates? Is it when the soul stirs? So I don't presume to know the answer to that question. What I know is that there is something extraordinarily powerful about potential life and that that has a moral weight to it that we take into consideration when we're having these debates.

Source: 2008 Democratic Compassion Forum at Messiah College Apr 13, 2008

Okay. So, he's undecided, and he thinks about it.

All i was trying to say was that if someone thinks life might begin at conception, it is horrifying that they would vote to allow late term Partial-Birth abortions, when they KNOW that baby is alive and kicking ~ regardless of whether it's attached to something else, or not. Since teenagers seem to be able to cross state lines at will for abortion, i imagine a doctor, with a patient in the dire straits suggested, could make arrangements for a patient to go to another state for that. (Yes, i realize that scenario is ridiculous, but it's also true.)

Also, he was also a Christian for what? 20 years? How many Christian people do you know that believe abortion is 'right?'

It's just mystifying to me, was all.

ps. It's too cool ~ i saw it, when i was getting my Pot poster pix, and thought of you, INSTANTLY! lol uhh, in a GOOD way!

~~The Unfan~~ · 10-28-2008, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by WendyCal

Okay. So, he's undecided, and he thinks about it.

Well, he thinks about it. Thats good.

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All i was trying to say was that if someone thinks life might begin at conception, it is horrifying that they would vote to allow late term Partial-Birth abortions, when they KNOW that baby is alive and kicking ~ regardless of whether it's attached to something else, or not.

You've already admitted that you're for it, sometimes.

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Also, he was also a Christian for what? 20 years? How many Christian people do you know that believe abortion is 'right?'

You, sometimes.

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It's just mystifying to me, was all.

Yet you're just like him.

WendyCal · 10-28-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

You're suggesting I don't know the issues?

As for J x 3, I want you to understand that since I wrote a novella refuting the positions against Obama, and like every other masterwork I write for this place it was largely ignored, I'll no longer be attempting to intelligently discuss things.

Those who attempted to dissuade folks from voting for him here have discredited themselves. You're lucky I'm not posting fictitious screen shots of social networking programs mocking candidates like sweet nothing. Me putting up TaxCutFacts.org is playing nicely.

Does this mean we can expect more novellas, but next time, you'll be attempting to UNintelligently discuss things?

j/k i'm just jerking your chain, Big.

i did read your novella, but it was in the middle of a discussion about something else, so i've sort of put it on the back burner until we get there. Sorry about that ~ you DID spend a lot of time and effort, and i DO appreciate it, even if i don't agree.

Please don't quit/give-up, guy.

WendyCal · 10-28-2008, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan

Well, he thinks about it. Thats good.
You've already admitted that you're for it, sometimes. You, sometimes. Yet you're just like him.

Well ONE big diff ~

i'm not running for public office, having to prove to folks how i've stood by my ethics and morals over the years.

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And i am NOT 'for' abortion ~ i would never have one, even if i became pregnant, regardless of how. (Oh, Lord, please don't let those be Famous Last Words...)

What i AM for is self-defense (the fetus is killing the mother) and mercy (a raped child/woman),

and IN EVERY CASE, i believe it should be a private decision. It IS murder, and it WILL hang over the person's head (karma/God/etc). But i can't make the decisions for someone else. THEY have to come to grips with their situation, and make their own decisions. i just don't want it out there, like it's just another 'garbage dump,' and nothing is thought of periodic visits to 'drop off the trash.'

jibber · 10-28-2008, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by WendyCal

No, i didn't mean that he was necessarily flip-flopping on it ~ he's voted pro-choice enough to let folks know where he stands. But read this:

Okay. So, he's undecided, and he thinks about it.

All i was trying to say was that if someone thinks life might begin at conception, it is horrifying that they would vote to allow late term Partial-Birth abortions, when they KNOW that baby is alive and kicking ~ regardless of whether it's attached to something else, or not. Since teenagers seem to be able to cross state lines at will for abortion, i imagine a doctor, with a patient in the dire straits suggested, could make arrangements for a patient to go to another state for that. (Yes, i realize that scenario is ridiculous, but it's also true.)

Also, he was also a Christian for what? 20 years? How many Christian people do you know that believe abortion is 'right?'

It's just mystifying to me, was all.

ps. It's too cool ~ i saw it, when i was getting my Pot poster pix, and thought of you, INSTANTLY! lol uhh, in a GOOD way!

My whole reason for posting, TWICE, obama's reasoning behind voting for late term abortions was to try to make you understand that your "horror" at his decisions is unfounded. The ONLY reason he voted against outlawing late term abortions was that that bill had no clause excepting the case of the mother being in danger. He has states, numerous times, that he would have voted yes on that bill had there been a clause protecting a mother who was in danger and had t abort her child.

I'm not going to explain that again, and I hope that this time you actually listen.

adidasss · 10-29-2008, 04:37 AM

Doubtful.

WendyCal · 10-29-2008, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

Doubtful.

Highly doubtful, since y'all never realized that i understood everything you said. It was you that was misunderstanding me. Hey, but w/e.

Okay, we're going to have to revisit the Abortion issue, since it would appear that Obama is, INDEED, flip-flopping on it.

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2...is-obamas-trut
h-late-term-abortion

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Originally Posted by religious mag Relevant

The wordplay began when Obama, in an interview with the religious magazine Relevant, said he believes late-term abortions can be banned except in cases where "a serious physical issue ... arises in pregnancy, where there are real, significant problems with the mother carrying that child to term." In other words, a woman's emotional and psychological health would not be considered
factors. Obama said he doesn't think "'mental distress' qualifies as the health of the mother."

Since this contradicts the landmark Roe v. Wade decision and subsequent court rulings that have upheld mental health exceptions to abortion bans, the campaign had to flip back from the flop.

Obama spoke to reporters on his campaign plane and gave a definition of a mental health exception that goes like this: "It can be defined by serious, clinical mental health diseases. It is not just a matter of feeling blue." He noted that neither abortion-rights supporters nor the courts
have ever interpreted a mental health exception that way.

and this:

RealClearPolitics - Articles - Obama Leaves Blue Women Seeing Red

That's what he's saying to the religious folks...

WendyCal · 10-29-2008, 12:42 PM

And, now that he's changed his mind about the income level that denotes 'the rich,' the Taxes issues will need to be revisited ~ the cut-off went from $250K to $150K, so all those nice tax cuts? Don't think y'all are going to see them...

Stunning! Obama Changes Tax Plan Seven Days Out* - Marc Ambinder

Read it and weep ~ i know i am!

10-28-2008, 12:02 AM	#151 (permalink)
jibber Freeskier Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Istanbul was Constantinople now it's Istanbul not Constantinople... Posts: 1,536	^I know it was a long time ago that I posted it, but I brought it up again because on this page, you mentioned late term abortion and how awful it was that obama "flip flopped" on the issue. I thought I would clear it up once again, and as you brought up the issue just a few posts ago, no, i dont think Im late at all. (and thank you, I thought the avatar was quite good) __________________ What you've done becomes the judge of what you're going to do -- especially in other people's minds. When you're traveling, you are what you are right there and then. People don't have your past to hold against you. No yesterdays on the road. William Least Heat Moon, Blue Highways Your toughest competitor lives in your head. Some days his name is fear, or pain, or gravity. Stomp his ass. HOOKED ON THE WHITE POWDER

10-29-2008, 04:37 AM	#158 (permalink)
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10-29-2008, 12:42 PM	#160 (permalink)
WendyCal Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 271	And, now that he's changed his mind about the income level that denotes 'the rich,' the Taxes issues will need to be revisited ~ the cut-off went from $250K to $150K, so all those nice tax cuts? Don't think y'all are going to see them... Stunning! Obama Changes Tax Plan Seven Days Out* - Marc Ambinder Read it and weep ~ i know i am!