Son of JayJamJah

I argued with the only salient point you made. It's not about proving anyone wrong. It's about improving the quality of debate. As long as people continue to take a myopic us vs. them\right vs. left approach it's just a lot of running in place.

You're so certain of what Obama promises and so skeptical of Palin and McCain.

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sleepy jack

I'm not skeptical of McCain/Palin at all. I just think their promises are bad ones whereas Obama's promises are good ones.

And if my arguments were so bad it shouldn't have been hard for you to counter them.

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No I'd say previous to Carter I was a student and didn't make very much money thus I have no way of knowing of what I would have been taxed at that time, I bet I could guess pretty close though.

People on Welfare are more likely to:

Be on Welfare in five years
Be addicted to drugs or alcohol
Be single parents
Be on Welfare in 10years
Be incarcerated
Be drop out of high school\college
Be on welfare in 20 years

All of this is true when compared to the non-welfare population in the US. The effects are no doubt a product of the cause but Welfare does not fix the problem as evidenced by the fact that more people stay on welfare then those who move on from it. It is intended to be a short time solution. It's not supposed to be enough to live on. If it is, it robs people of motivation to better themselves. Handouts never work. Taking motivation from a person subtly robs them of their dignity and self respect.

We're still paying off World War II, google where do my taxes dollars go and there are several sites, of ambiguous credibility in terms of 100% accuracy, that will give you a better grasp of just how much War has cost us overtime and how being the "Good Guys" costs a whole lot of money.

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Son of JayJamJah

Never said they were bad, just that we weren't arguing about the same thing.

Don't focus on providing subjective counterpoints, lets hear some ideas and expectations for Obama. Why are his promises good? How will they improve your life? why will they work?

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WendyCal

Do you realize that you just inferred that you are on my side?

"I don't disagree with you" = "I do agree with you"

So:

I do agree with you that Ethan was being a bully.
It's easier to say that Ethan is a bully if you support the person being bullied.
Therefore:
It is easier for me to say that Ethan is a bully because i support the person being bullied.

Stating facts is not an insult to anyone, or shouldn't be.

i stated facts about Chicago, not Illinois, anyway, so...

The thing i did on the Canadian Pol thread, i went back, removed, and appologized for my rudeness within an hour or two.

But, i mean, do you really think i was wrong? Do you really think Canada could stand if the US fell? 'Cuz i really don't see it. Canada and the US are too close for whoever might take us over not to take y'all, especially since you're right in the way of Alaska, along with Mexico.

The truth is, one would think y'all would be interested in us having a superior military.

Son of JayJamJah

Wendy Cal you need a heavy dose of Occams Razor.

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sleepy jack

You know I had typed up a long answer to this but I'm not going to answer it until you respond to my response to your seven points. I'm sick of people running around and saying Obama/McCain are the same and it doesn't matter who gets elected and never actually backing it up with anything.

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sleepy jack

Uh, weren't you just going at everyone for being irrational and all your Rand bullshit? Kucinich is even further from libertarianism than Obama or McCain.

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Son of JayJamJah

The Federal Government could change that. Still my point is, it's a major issue discussed during every election, but it doesn't change.

I addressed this in a previous post. Again my taxes have gone up slightly with each election both state and federal.

Your assumption of my sentiment is so far from accurate or explicable. All Wars are awful, but so far in my life America has been the good guys every time and I have no experience leading military campaigns so I'll leave it to the men who do to run them.

The national debt has increased with every president the past 50 years. Everyone promises the opposite including these two.

I don't believe Obama cares about it. Nothing other then his words suggest he does care. Plus he is powerless (if he did care) against the lobbyists like his VP's Son. Money talks, every president thinks they'll get us off foriegn oil and our dependency only increases.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqE0...9 Jimmy Carter


That was 30 years ago. We've used more oil from OPEC nations every year since. Today over 75% of our oil is purchased from OPEC nations.

Where does the money come from? Taxes. And unless it's spent wisely who cares. The real solution is to avoid standardization and allow schools more private funding. But you can't tax people that way.


Legal immigration. Illegal immigration waters down our tangible economy and creates xenophobia and racism.

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Trauma

Obviously, because you didn't see what could have happened otherwise.


No I didn't.
No, that means nothing.
How is something being the opposite of something else give way to "therefore..."?
Good try, but I don't support you, and by "you" (in my argument) I was never referring to me in the first place, I was referring to Predator.
How about you learn to argue?


Your "facts" can be summed up in this hypothetical situation:
You see a really fat woman so you tell her that God doesn't love fatties and she should go shoot herself in the head because of a video on Breaking News | Latest News | Current News - FOXNews.com

You've stated some facts and some lies, but both are extremely right-wing and meant to cause either hurt or panic.

Shut up.

Good apology that was.

First off, Mexico isn't on the way to Alaska after Canada.
Second, I do think Canada could still function without the U.S.
It's an entirely separate country!

I stand by what I said before.
If we met in person I would just drop you.
I find it hard to believe that there could be people more ignorant and hateful than you.

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