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are they not men?




"they're devo".

Dr_Rez

**** C. did A LOT for this country. Not saying any of it was good, but he certainly did alot.

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lucifer_sam

Do you know where "Republican" and "Democrat" lie on the political spectrum? They're pretty much the same thing; hell, for a few years, they actually WERE. Freaky.

Not to mention that both McCain and Obama are both pretty moderate. Both parties seek to highlight their candidates differences, but usually they don't even begin to bear any relevance to the candidate's ability to govern. The social issues really bring this to light. For example, it doesn't really matter what McCain's position on abortion is, he's not going to be able to enact legislation to overturn Roe v. Wade. In reality, most of what you interpret as "huge differences" are really just ways to sell the candidate. The public's perception of a candidate matters waaaaaaaaaaay more than issues that are relevant to his presidency.

Ethan, naivety might be adorable when you're a kid, but if you don't grow a sense of cynicism soon, you're apt to die of exasperation.

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Trauma

Comparing the United States to Mexico I would say that this election (and every other election since the dawn of this country) is causing barely any strife.
If someone says, "I love John McCain because he lets me use the guns" and someone else says, "Go to Hell" then it pretty much ends there.
There is no mass riot, no coup d'etat, no massacre of people who are outspoken.

They are both backed by pretty massive corporations.
Their interest positions pretty much conform to the views their respective political parties want to convey.
No matter who wins, there will be thousands and thousands of civil servants telling them what to do.
So, no matter who gets elected, there will be an Iron Triangle of some sort.
People argue that John McCain's looking out for big oil and that's probably true, but you can't assume (based on that alone) that Barack Obama wouldn't treat certain businesses like constituents because that's just ignorant.

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sleepy jack

Okay I'm being naive but all you did was talk about McCain's stance on abortion (while not mentioning Obama's stance) and say they're the same because they're both moderates. You still haven't explained how their tax proposals are the same, their stance on health care are the same, their stance on Iraq is the same, their stance on the economy, etc etc etc. How about you actually answer my question before calling me naive and acting all high, mighty and more intelligent?

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lucifer_sam

I'm not dodging the question, I just don't feel like spending that much time explaining how something doesn't matter. Just try approaching it from a different perspective.

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sleepy jack

If you're not going to explain how they're the same and my question was how are they the same then you are dodging the question. It's really not that hard to get.

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Trauma

I already explained it to you Ethan, so any further explanation would be redundant and not worth reading anyway!

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sleepy jack

You basically just said they're both backed by major corporations. Yeah both parties are but that doesn't change the fact they have several key differences which apparently aren't differences at all and I just need to open my mind.

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Fyrenza

Honestly, the candidates can say anything, so arguing about this stuff is pretty fruitless. All we can really go on are the candidates' past experiences and how they act while running.

Right now, with Barrack Hussein Obama continuing to withhold the documents the court has asked for, there's a very real question about whether he's even qualified to RUN.

~~> [And before you jump me about that, what you posted is a Certificate of Live Birth (as opposed to an actual birth certificate) and there are numerous indications that it is a forgery. (No signature, no embossed seal, etc.)]

i can't imagine what his problem is with producing the originals, but until he does, he's pretty much an illegal alien running for the highest office in this land.

i've had to show my birth certificate as ID before. i didn't exactly 'have it on me,' and the job or school or whatever it was that wanted the ID? Hey, they didn't just welcome me aboard, slap me on the back, and give me all the time in the world to provide it ~ it was put up or get out.

And i'm really sorry, but that just bothers me.