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Theory in scientific terminology means a theoretical construct which you construct and support over time through scientific methodology; empirical testing. That it is called the "theory of evolution" is not because it's a mere theory like you might have a theory that a certain kind of aliens exist on a distant planet. That's a misconception by those who don't know science. There is also a theory of gravity, but that doesn't mean that whether or not you'll fall down if you jump up is based on mere speculation. In the same way, evolution is observable in many practical ways. We can observe how species (f.ex humans) are able to change even from one generation to the next and we can see and measure how such a change may be directional over time, f.ex through the amplification of a trait. Museums also keep specimens of animals and as someone working in one, I could f.ex go measure the size of squirrels and compare the average size of these squirrels today to the average size of squirrels 50 years ago. Evolution is not some abstract mythical concept; it's there, just like gravity is. Since Darwin formulated his theory of evolution, there's been over hundred years of science with thousands upon thousands of studies adding to it. You simply can't knock that over because it's called a "theory". All scientific truths are. The reason you don't believe in evolution is part, I'm sure, because you don't even know what it is. And you also seem to think that science is against religion. It's not, but it's aimed towards discovering the truth; the truth which can be tested to be true. If you feel science is anti-religious, it's because the universe with it's laws as we know it and continue to discover it is not consistent with your religious beliefs. Science builds upon a principle of parsimony which is a way of building up an understanding of how we think the world works while trying to make as few wrong assumptions as possible. Today, God doesn't fit well into any scientific theory, but if he/she/it really exists, then it's science's goal to discover and describe God as such in the future. Quote:
If this is perfect by design, why is the antarctic basically uninhabitable? Shouldn't that have a nicer temperature like other landmasses? The belief that sunlight is needed for life has been proven wrong by the existence of vent underwater communities as well as other things, so there you go. Quote:
Scientists, far from being brainwashed, question science all the time. You, however, don't apply critical thinking to what you believe in. How often do you question religion and how do you determine what's true or not? You're the one who's been brainwashed here, mister.
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02-11-2011, 09:19 AM | #762 (permalink) | |
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So, what have you experienced that made you so sure that there is a god?
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Sorry for ignoring the part of your post about Solomon and the Torah and what not, but I don't really appreciate being preached at.
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In Response to Tore and S K...
Any rational thinking human being that has some idea about science knows that the entire motif behind Darwin's studies are speculative. There is absolutely no single shred of factual evidence to support that the world created itself out of emptiness, and that humans some how 'evolved'. This is all speculation, and there is no 'Theory of Gravitation' the Talmud written 2000 years ago already mentions the Power of gravitation, so there is no reason to speculate about it, it exists. And 'Theory of evolution' hands on one single method which is called 'extrapolation' the weakest form of evaluating something, because you can't take 150 years of study and dating, and spread your findings over 15 billion years. No one knows how the universe functioned back then and no one even knows how 'Time' functioned' So the weak method of extrapolation cant be used to come to definitive conclusions about the date of our universe or about the function of time. On top of that, even the scientists themselves cant agree on things, some claim its billions, some claim its millions, and some scientists completely reject the notion of an evolution, and openly say that this universe must of had a Master Creator, because the Odds are just astronomical for it to pop out of the blue. As to the sun, ofcourse its not exactly perfect, for many reasons, but someone behind is pulling the strings so that we may live and exist, a small substential change can destroy all life as we know it. Creationist Scientists: A favorite ploy of evolutionists is to portray all Creation Scientists as pseudo-scientists. In fact, some of the leading scientists in their fields are creation scientists. This page contains a small sampling of scientists who are recognized by their secular peers and others as being among the very best in their fields, or who have outstanding academic achievements. As time permits, more names will be added. Remember these scientists the next time an evolutionist tries to claim that no serious scientists are young earth creationists! Dr Raymond V. Damadian - Inventor of the MRI (magnetic resonance imaging) Dr Raymond V. Damadian would probably be too humble to accept the title 'super-scientist' but the many people whose lives have been saved by the MRI (magnetic resonance imaging) scanning technology he developed might think otherwise. Hailed as one of the greatest diagnostic breakthroughs ever, this technique, using advanced principles of physics and computing, lets doctors visualize many organs and their diseased parts without the risks of exploratory surgery or the radiation associated with traditional scanning methods. See Super-scientist slams society’s spiritual sickness!. Dr. John R. Baumgardner (Geophysicist) U.S. News & World Report (June 16, 1997) devoted a respectful four-page article to the work of Dr John Baumgardner, calling him "the world's pre-eminent expert in the design of computer models for geophysical convection." Dr. Baumgardner earned degrees from Texas Tech University (B.S., electrical engineering), and Princeton University (M.S., electrical engineering), and earned a Ph.D. in geophysics and space physics from UCLA. Since 1984 he has been employed as a technical staff member at Los Alamos (New Mexico) National Laboratory. Also see Scientists Who Believe: An Interview with Dr. John Baumgardner, and Probing the Earth's Deep Places. Dr Ian Macreadie (Molecular Biologist and Microbiologist) Author of more than 60 research papers, he is a Principal Research Scientist at the Biomolecular Research Institute of Australia’s Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO), and national secretary of the Australian Society for Biochemistry and Molecular Biology. In 1997 he was part of a team which won the CSIRO’s top prize, the Chairman’s Medal. In 1995 he won the Australian Society for Microbiology’s top award, for outstanding contributions to research. See Interview with Dr Ian Macreadie. Dr. Raymond Jones (Agricultural Scientist) This, combined with Dr Jones' other achievements in improving the productivity of the tropical grazing industries, caused CSIRO chief Dr Elizabeth Heij to describe him as ‘one of the top few CSIRO scientists in Australia’. Among the awards he has received are the CSIRO Gold Medal for Research Excellence, and the Urrbrae Award, the latter in recognition of the practical significance of his work for the grazing industry. See Interview with Dr. Raymond Jones. Dr. A.E. Wilder-Smith (3 Doctorates and a 3-star NATO General) The late Dr. Arthur E.Wilder-Smith, an honored scientist with an amazing three earned doctorates. He held many distinguished positions. A former Evolutionist, Dr. Wilder-Smith debated various leading scientists on the subject throughout the world. In his opinion, the Evolution model did not fit as well with the established facts of science as did the Creation model of intelligent design. His background is referenced in footnote #4 at Do real scientists believe in Creation? - ChristianAnswers.Net. Dr. Robert Gentry (nuclear physicist) Dr. Robert V. Gentry is a nuclear physicist who worked 13 years for the Oakridge National Laboratory as a guest scientist. During the time he worked there, he was recognized as the world's leading authority in his area of research. It is interesting to note that when he began his research, he was an evolutionist. Today, Dr. Gentry is a fully convinced young earth creation scientist. Emeritus Professor Tyndale John Rendle-Short - From (theistic) evolution to creation For Prof himself, educated at Cambridge and brought up with his father's writings, theistic evolution (or its variant, progressive creationism) was the natural direction for him to take. His odyssey to being chairman of one of the most effective creation science outreach ministries in the world was overseen by the Lord's hand in countless ways, both large and small. Charlie Lieberts - (Chemist) Charlie Liebert’s idea of a good time back in New Jersey was to drink beer with a bunch of buddies and mock Billy Graham on television. A self-described “atheistic evolutionist,” Liebert would ridicule the fact that he and his friends were “sinners.” Dr. Gary Parker (Biologist) "I was very consciously trying to get students to bend their religious beliefs to evolution." "Evolution was really my religion, a faith commitment and a complete world-and-life view that organized everything else for me, and I got quite emotional when evolution was challenged." Dr. Gary Parker's testimony as to how he went from teaching evolution at the college level to being a leading spokesman for Biblical creationism. - See the full story at From Evolution to Creation: A Personal Testimony Dr. D. Russell Humphreys (Physicist) While neither of the two links we have for Dr. Humphreys states that he was a former evolutionists and atheist, we know this to be true from a 1999 debate he participated in at Harvard University in which he stated these things. See this interview with Dr. Humphreys at: Creation in the Physics Lab. Dr. Alan Galbraith (Watershed Science) "I attended a creation seminar arranged by my pastor. I had only been a Christian for some four years or so, and was still a convinced evolutionist. I have to admit that I went with the attitude — what can this pastor, whose last science course was probably in junior high school, tell me about the area I know so much about?" See Recovery from evolution (Alan Galbraith interview) Dr. Donald Batten (Agriculturist) As a young Christian in boarding high school I naively thought that 'science was facts' and tried to believe in evolution and the Bible by accepting the notion that 'God used evolution', days-are-ages, 'progressive creation', etc. Dr. David Catchpoole (Plant Physiologist) Until his mid-20s, David was an ardent evolutionistic atheist, but a personal crisis while working in Indonesia brought him to embrace Christianity. However, for a decade he struggled to reconcile popular evolutionary beliefs with the Bible... Dr. A.E. Wilder-Smith (3 Doctorates and a NATO 3-star General) The late Dr. Arthur E.Wilder-Smith, an honored scientist with an amazing three earned doctorates. He held many distinguished positions. A former Evolutionist, Dr. Wilder-Smith debated various leading scientists on the subject throughout the world. In his opinion, the Evolution model did not fit as well with the established facts of science as did the Creation model of intelligent design. His background is referenced in footnote #4 at Do real scientists believe in Creation? - ChristianAnswers.Net. Dr. Robert V. Gentry - (Physicist) Gerald Schroeder Phd. Schroeder received his BSc in 1959, his MSc in 1961, and his Ph.D. in nuclear physics and earth and planetary sciences in 1965, from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT).[2] He worked five years on the staff of the MIT physics department. He was a member of the United States Atomic Energy Commission. And the list goes on and on... But when it comes to the Torah, no speculation, and no 'Maybe' the Jews know how the world was created this information was given to them by God himself. There are over 50.000 books written about the Torah, a good number of them deal and discuss about the matters of Creation and its secrets, this wisdom is called Kabbalah. And even without all these books, it is logically locked and obvious that this universe must have been envisioned in the mind of a Master Creator, and set to motion into reality by him. The mind cant bare any other alternative. Last edited by Maccabbe; 02-11-2011 at 12:29 PM. |
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I scanned that text a bit and I don't believe there's an answer to my question in there:
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I am absolutely serious, but I want an answer to that question, no filosofical speculations please
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I said : And the list goes on and on... But when it comes to the Torah, no speculation, and no 'Maybe' the Jews know how the world was created this information was given to them by God himself. There are over 50.000 books written about the Torah, a good number of them deal and discuss about the matters of Creation and its secrets, this wisdom is called Kabbalah. And even without all these books, it is logically locked and obvious that this universe must have been envisioned in the mind of a Master Creator, and set to motion into reality by him. The mind cant bare any other alternative. Been exposed to books of wisdom and information that others might not have been exposed to. And of course common sense and logic. |
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What books? If you're going to just keep spouting nonsense and claiming that you have knowledge from some unknown source that you are unwilling to divulge, I am going to assume that you are being a disingenuous preacher.
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@ Maccabe
Ah, you've bene exposed to more speculation. I thought you had actually ran into something in your life that meant something. Sorry dude, we're done. But please enjoy your religion. I'll just stick to the things I can see. You're just comparing one theory with another. What if both are wrong? Tore, Janszoon, this one is for you lot
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"For Kabbalists, the Torah dressed truth in an earthly garment, and that garment had to be removed to behold spiritual beauty. Behind the God of Hebrew scripture lay En-sof, who had created the material world from ten emanating intelligences called Sefiroth. In a series of correspondences, Kabbalists explained connections between the Sefiroth and different parts of the human body, names for God, and classes of angels. From its beginnings, the Kabbalah blended elements from many different traditions but changed them to give the material a Jewish stamp." This is the kind of "wisdom and information" you're basing your absolute certainty in God on? |
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