This I Believe There is / is not a God (Religious, show)

lucifer_sam · 09-30-2008, 01:41 PM

While I agree to an extent, I think that the main visualization of an afterlife is to dim the banality of death. Even for a Christian, death is still death, and the comfort of afterlife will certainly help allay any fears people have about the unknown.

Also, to note: nowhere in the Bible are pearly gates mentioned. In fact, the Bible doesn't seem to quantify afterlife by any worldy means. It just refers to the afterlife as unity with God, which can be interpreted in many, many ways. The point is, even Christians aren't offered a utopia.

~~Fyrenza~~ · 09-30-2008, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam

While I agree to an extent, I think that the main visualization of an afterlife is to dim the banality of death. Even for a Christian, death is still death, and the comfort of afterlife will certainly help allay any fears people have about the unknown.

Also, to note: nowhere in the Bible are pearly gates mentioned. In fact, the Bible doesn't seem to quantify afterlife by any worldy means. It just refers to the afterlife as unity with God, which can be interpreted in many, many ways. The point is, even Christians aren't offered a utopia.

i can honestly say that i am not afraid of death
it is a part of life and i was down with that before becoming a Christian

now however i know where i'm going
and just like any traveller along any road
having the directions is making the trip so much easier and more enjoyable

and for Christians

unity with God IS utopia

~~Fyrenza~~ · 09-30-2008, 02:20 PM

i'm not running away from the discussion

but i've got to make a run tonight and won't be back until late

don't have too much fun without me

lucifer_sam · 09-30-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Fyrenza

i can honestly say that i am not afraid of death
it is a part of life and i was down with that before becoming a Christian

now however i know where i'm going
and just like any traveller along any road
having the directions is making the trip so much easier and more enjoyable

and for Christians

unity with God IS utopia

I always thought of it as a comforting sleep after a long, long day. But I agree with you.

anticipation · 09-30-2008, 02:16 PM

to be a christian is to embrace the chains that bind us,
to be an atheist is to deny their existance.

deep.

~~Fyrenza~~ · 10-01-2008, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by anticipation

to be a christian is to embrace the chains that bind us,
to be an atheist is to deny their existance.

deep.

very

may i quote you in my signature?

cardboard adolescent · 10-02-2008, 01:21 PM

I'm just gonna throw this out there for *shits n' giggles:

If you were God, had just created the whole universe probably for the sake of alleviating your boredom but now found yourself in the tricky situation where you could see everything, know everything that was going to and had happened, etc. etc, what would you do? Assuming Boredom is a quality we can attribute to God, and it seems to me to be one of the primal forces in the universe, for why else would there be one in the first place, how would he get rid of it? Is not the only way to get rid of Boredom to impose limits on yourself, which you must then overcome? Is not overcoming the only thing that gives anything purpose? Then perhaps, if you were God, and saw the creation you had made with all its limits and challenges, perhaps you would become part of it? Perhaps you would become a person. And what happens when this person dies? Would you be satisfied? Or would you do it again? Would you want to remember, or would you intentionally forget? What does a being with eternity do with it?

Basically what I'm saying is that we're all God. I know this is true because LSD told me.

Freedom=boredom (how long can you play gta without doing any of this missions?)
Ignorance=bliss

Double X · 10-02-2008, 01:30 PM

That's easy...any religious person can tell you that god doesn't think like us. I am not sure I agree with it, but even I knew the answer for that.

cardboard adolescent · 10-02-2008, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Double X

That's easy...any religious person can tell you that god doesn't think like us. I am not sure I agree with it, but even I knew the answer for that.

And yet, "he made us in his image." And isn't the role of creator quinessentially human? Just by cognizing God we have assigned to him a shitload of human qualities. No amount of logical backwash will get you around that.

Molecules · 10-02-2008, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

I'm just gonna throw this out there for *shits n' giggles:

If you were God, had just created the whole universe probably for the sake of alleviating your boredom but now found yourself in the tricky situation where you could see everything, know everything that was going to and had happened, etc. etc, what would you do? Assuming Boredom is a quality we can attribute to God, and it seems to me to be one of the primal forces in the universe, for why else would there be one in the first place, how would he get rid of it? Is not the only way to get rid of Boredom to impose limits on yourself, which you must then overcome? Is not overcoming the only thing that gives anything purpose? Then perhaps, if you were God, and saw the creation you had made with all its limits and challenges, perhaps you would become part of it? Perhaps you would become a person. And what happens when this person dies? Would you be satisfied? Or would you do it again? Would you want to remember, or would you intentionally forget? What does a being with eternity do with it?

Basically what I'm saying is that we're all God. I know this is true because LSD told me.

I lol'd

If anybody hasn't read Paradise Lost yet please do so. Despite being written by a puritan it's makes the very compelling argument that Lucifer is the one we should be worshipping.

09-30-2008, 01:41 PM	#1 (permalink)
lucifer_sam Unrepentant Ass-Mod Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,921	While I agree to an extent, I think that the main visualization of an afterlife is to dim the banality of death. Even for a Christian, death is still death, and the comfort of afterlife will certainly help allay any fears people have about the unknown. Also, to note: nowhere in the Bible are pearly gates mentioned. In fact, the Bible doesn't seem to quantify afterlife by any worldy means. It just refers to the afterlife as unity with God, which can be interpreted in many, many ways. The point is, even Christians aren't offered a utopia. __________________ first.am

09-30-2008, 02:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
~~Fyrenza~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: high above the Republic of Texas Posts: 216	i'm not running away from the discussion but i've got to make a run tonight and won't be back until late don't have too much fun without me

09-30-2008, 02:16 PM	#5 (permalink)
anticipation Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,561	to be a christian is to embrace the chains that bind us, to be an atheist is to deny their existance. deep.

10-02-2008, 01:21 PM	#7 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,511	I'm just gonna throw this out there for *shits n' giggles: If you were God, had just created the whole universe probably for the sake of alleviating your boredom but now found yourself in the tricky situation where you could see everything, know everything that was going to and had happened, etc. etc, what would you do? Assuming Boredom is a quality we can attribute to God, and it seems to me to be one of the primal forces in the universe, for why else would there be one in the first place, how would he get rid of it? Is not the only way to get rid of Boredom to impose limits on yourself, which you must then overcome? Is not overcoming the only thing that gives anything purpose? Then perhaps, if you were God, and saw the creation you had made with all its limits and challenges, perhaps you would become part of it? Perhaps you would become a person. And what happens when this person dies? Would you be satisfied? Or would you do it again? Would you want to remember, or would you intentionally forget? What does a being with eternity do with it? Basically what I'm saying is that we're all God. I know this is true because LSD told me. Freedom=boredom (how long can you play gta without doing any of this missions?) Ignorance=bliss

10-02-2008, 01:30 PM	#8 (permalink)
Double X sleepe Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: boston Posts: 1,140	That's easy...any religious person can tell you that god doesn't think like us. I am not sure I agree with it, but even I knew the answer for that.