This I Believe There is / is not a God

TockTockTock · 01-20-2011, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by s_k

This is a bit pathetic man

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Time to start thinking for yourself.
Time to become yourself!

Yes and... Well I tried as I always was convinced I hated soccer. Now I hate it even more. So yeah, sort of, why?

Never mind...

s_k · 01-20-2011, 06:19 PM

Haha, sorry mate. I really don't like soccer

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The sport itself is fine, but the way people respond to it here. Awful.

TockTockTock · 01-20-2011, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by s_k

Haha, sorry mate. I really don't like soccer

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The sport itself is fine, but the way people respond to it here. Awful.

The only things I don't like about it are (1) the fans and (2) how the players react to their "injuries." But I digress.

s_k · 01-20-2011, 06:29 PM

The fans kind of spoiled it for me. It's not like I like any other sport, but I especially hate soccer because of the way every friggin town is flooded with orange ****ing flags here. Yeah... Sorry

Dotoar · 01-21-2011, 10:25 AM

^Talking of god and all.

What I'm sincerely interested in is the, arguably very common, concept of agnosticism. There seems to be a lot of people claiming that they don't believe in god, but all the same thinks that "there must be something". Now, adressing all the closet agnostics in here, why must there be 'something', and what is the conception of that something if it's not ultimately a god?

SATCHMO · 01-21-2011, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dotoar

^Talking of god and all.

What I'm sincerely interested in is the, arguably very common, concept of agnosticism. There seems to be a lot of people claiming that they don't believe in god, but all the same thinks that "there must be something". Now, addressing all the closet agnostics in here, why must there be 'something', and what is the conception of that something if it's not ultimately a god?

Agnosticism is the belief that it's impossible to know with absolute certainty whether there is, or is not a god, so judgment one way or the other, is suspended.

I believe there is something. It's just easier to say God then to give a crash course in quantum physics and transpersonal psychology. For all intents and purposes I'm actually an atheist, because I don't believe in an autonomous, anthropomorphic deity that thinks and acts in the way that humans do. I believe in the collective energy and consciousness of the universe, and to me my spirituality, my faith, is the dynamic between those two things, what I perceive as being God, and my own intention.

RVCA · 01-21-2011, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO

Agnosticism is the belief that it's impossible to know with absolute certainty whether there is, or is not a god, so judgment one way or the other, is suspended.

I believe there is something. It's just easier to say God then to give a crash course in quantum physics and transpersonal psychology. For all intents and purposes I'm actually an atheist, because I don't believe in an autonomous, anthropomorphic deity that thinks and acts in the way that humans do. I believe in the collective energy and consciousness of the universe, and to me my spirituality, my faith, is the dynamic between those two things, what I perceive as being God, and my own intention.

You must be a huge Sam Harris fan...

Blu · 01-21-2011, 09:34 PM

To be technical, there are 4 basic levels of belief.
Gnostic theist - I know there is a god/gods.
Agnostic theist - I believe there is a god/gods, but I can't be 100% sure.
Gnostic atheist- I know there are no gods.
Agnostic atheist - I don't believe there are gods, but I can't be 100% sure.
I am the last. One can be simply agnostic, if they aren't sure either way. There's also pantheists, deists, and others, but those are the main ones.

Dotoar · 01-22-2011, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO

Agnosticism is the belief that it's impossible to know with absolute certainty whether there is, or is not a god, so judgment one way or the other, is suspended.

I believe there is something. It's just easier to say God then to give a crash course in quantum physics and transpersonal psychology. For all intents and purposes I'm actually an atheist, because I don't believe in an autonomous, anthropomorphic deity that thinks and acts in the way that humans do. I believe in the collective energy and consciousness of the universe, and to me my spirituality, my faith, is the dynamic between those two things, what I perceive as being God, and my own intention.

Well, I'd call it faith in natural science, simply. The laws of nature and from what I read in your statement above I'd call you an atheist and not an agnostic, but to each his own.

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Originally Posted by Blu

To be technical, there are 4 basic levels of belief.
Gnostic theist - I know there is a god/gods.
Agnostic theist - I believe there is a god/gods, but I can't be 100% sure.
Gnostic atheist- I know there are no gods.
Agnostic atheist - I don't believe there are gods, but I can't be 100% sure.
I am the last. One can be simply agnostic, if they aren't sure either way. There's also pantheists, deists, and others, but those are the main ones.

The term 'agnostic atheist' is a contradiction, since an atheist by definition does not have a belief in any kind of deity whatsoever. Furthermore I don't see the use of dividing the 'belief' part from the 'theist' part, since a theist by definition has belief in a deity.

**Janszoon** · 01-22-2011, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Dotoar

The term 'agnostic atheist' is a contradiction, since an atheist by definition does not have a belief in any kind of deity whatsoever.

No it isn't. Agnosticism and atheism describe views on two different things. The former describes a viewpoint on the nature of knowledge while the later describes a viewpoint on the existence of a god or gods. You can most definitely be both.

01-20-2011, 06:19 PM	#672 (permalink)
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s_k Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,206	The fans kind of spoiled it for me. It's not like I like any other sport, but I especially hate soccer because of the way every friggin town is flooded with orange ****ing flags here. Yeah... Sorry __________________ Click here to see my collection

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Dotoar Supernatural anaesthetist Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Örebro, Sweden Posts: 436	^Talking of god and all. What I'm sincerely interested in is the, arguably very common, concept of agnosticism. There seems to be a lot of people claiming that they don't believe in god, but all the same thinks that "there must be something". Now, adressing all the closet agnostics in here, why must there be 'something', and what is the conception of that something if it's not ultimately a god? __________________ - More is more -

01-21-2011, 09:34 PM	#678 (permalink)
Blu Groupie Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Montana Posts: 7	To be technical, there are 4 basic levels of belief. Gnostic theist - I know there is a god/gods. Agnostic theist - I believe there is a god/gods, but I can't be 100% sure. Gnostic atheist- I know there are no gods. Agnostic atheist - I don't believe there are gods, but I can't be 100% sure. I am the last. One can be simply agnostic, if they aren't sure either way. There's also pantheists, deists, and others, but those are the main ones. __________________