Slavery (single, exploited, American, African, effects)

adidasss · 07-12-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by savannah

5) Which other culture would you choose to be born into?

i always thought i would do well within the prewar south,....well,...as long as i was born into a cotton dynasty or something,.....

Mmm...slavery.....<3

lucifer_sam · 07-12-2008, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

Mmm...slavery.....<3

It's a southern United States thing. Prewar South is just about as romantic as a fucking lynch mob. Oh yeah, they had those too. Gotta love racism.

savannah · 07-13-2008, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam

It's a southern United States thing. Prewar South is just about as romantic as a fucking lynch mob. Oh yeah, they had those too. Gotta love racism.

not that i really feel like gettin into this right now,...slavery in the pre war south was more about tending your crop than it was about race,.....there were just as many poor whites workin those fields as there were blacks,....
also,..i'm astounded you wouldnt think a lynch mob is romantic,....after all, everyone looks better in bon fire light, and there was normally one of those around,......not that i would know

adidasss · 07-13-2008, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by savannah

not that i really feel like gettin into this right now,...slavery in the pre war south was more about tending your crop than it was about race,.....there were just as many poor whites workin those fields as there were blacks,....

Slavery was always about exploitation. What sort of connection are you making between poor white people and black slaves? Where is the data that says there were just as many poor white people working the fields? Were the black slaves payed, or does the room and board count as payment? Is slavery just a different kind of social system?

savannah · 07-13-2008, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

Slavery was always about exploitation. What sort of connection are you making between poor white people and black slaves? Where is the data that says there were just as many poor white

people working the fields? Were the black slaves payed, or does the room and board count as payment? Is slavery just a different kind of social system?

you are right, slavery is always about exploitation,...HOWEVER i dont think its always about race, which is what people wanna jump to first

ok,...so y'all may lynch me for sayin this myself,....but yep, for the time period,.....i see slavery as a different kind fo social system, and one that was implimented for agricultural purposes,......yes, there were just as many poor whites workin fields as their were black,....do you think black people are the only folks out there who know how to pick cotton? if you read more about the king cotton south you'll learn that there were all different races doing this work, that information is compiled through old journals and the like of the time,......room and board counting as payment,.....yes, in my mind, in that time, i feel that it did,.....

sure is slavery is wrong, but it happened, and its not the end of the world like people wanna make it out to be

adidasss · 07-13-2008, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by savannah

you are right, slavery is always about exploitation,...HOWEVER i dont think its always about race, which is what people wanna jump to first

ok,...so y'all may lynch me for sayin this myself,....but yep, for the time period,.....i see slavery as a different kind fo social system, and one that was implimented for agricultural purposes,......yes, there were just as many poor whites workin fields as their were black,....do you think black people are the only folks out there who know how to pick cotton? if you read more about the king cotton south you'll learn that there were all different races doing this work, that information is compiled through old journals and the like of the time,......room and board counting as payment,.....yes, in my mind, in that time, i feel that it did,.....

sure is slavery is wrong, but it happened, and its not the end of the world like people wanna make it out to be

Someone get the tar and feather!

Ok, first of all, slavery in the American south was always inextricably tied to racism. It was based on the notion that black people were inherently inferior to whites and therefore can become property. Those poor white people you talk about were never anyone's property and could always stop picking cotton if they wanted to.

Also, I'm sure you know that black people were actually brought to the United States for the specific purpose of being used for labor. They were forcibly removed from their homes in Africa where they were perfectly able to fend for themselves and brought to a strange new continent.

And lastly, slavery is considered one of the worst things you can do to a person for a good reason. And it's actually still present, only it's not government sanctioned. Trafficking.

lucifer_sam · 07-13-2008, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by savannah

not that i really feel like gettin into this right now,...slavery in the pre war south was more about tending your crop than it was about race,.....there were just as many poor whites workin those fields as there were blacks,....
also,..i'm astounded you wouldnt think a lynch mob is romantic,....after all, everyone looks better in bon fire light, and there was normally one of those around,......not that i would know

There's a time and a place for everything, and this argument isn't. But don't labor about misguided delusions. Slavery was the worst thing that ever happened to America, next to the intentional liquidation and genocide of Native Americans. And the after-effects of both tragedies had devastating consequences that still plague their populations today. Please, don't try to pretend it wasn't about race, because it was. That's all it was ever about.

I'm sorry I don't share your romanticism about the South. I like bonfires, just not when they're at the expense of some poor soul's life. =/

joderu95 · 08-24-2008, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by savannah

not that i really feel like gettin into this right now,...slavery in the pre war south was more about tending your crop than it was about race,.....there were just as many poor whites workin those fields as there were blacks,....
also,..i'm astounded you wouldnt think a lynch mob is romantic,....after all, everyone looks better in bon fire light, and there was normally one of those around,......not that i would know

Even if that were true (which it isn't) there is a very fundamental difference you are overlooking. Whites were free and could not be legally held as slaves.

Predator · 07-13-2008, 04:49 PM

I just want to poke in here and say that had another continent been found with another group of people that could have filled the role of African slaves, they would have been used just the same. It was not a matter of finding black people and saying "lets use these black people for slaves". It was a matter of finding a group that could be exploited and doing just that. Slavery was not about race, it was about the ability to effectively exploit a large group of people regardless of race. It could have been anyone, it just happened to be Africans.

SATCHMO · 08-06-2008, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Predator

I just want to poke in here and say that had another continent been found with another group of people that could have filled the role of African slaves, they would have been used just the same. It was not a matter of finding black people and saying "lets use these black people for slaves". It was a matter of finding a group that could be exploited and doing just that. Slavery was not about race, it was about the ability to effectively exploit a large group of people regardless of race. It could have been anyone, it just happened to be Africans.

Yes, slavery is more of indictment of human nature and the corruption of power in general than it is a specific ethnic group. Just as any other ethnic group could have played the role of the exploited, any bergouning dynasty could have played the role of the exploiter.
I also think its kinda' fukked that y'all are taking savannah's affinity for an important and historically rich era of American history and using it to accuse her of being racist.

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