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Old 07-16-2008, 12:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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My only question to adidasss and Expletive Deleted is: At what point does personal accountability come into play.

There is a distinction between races and average income, but it's moving in the right direction. It can't happen overnight. The reason for that inequality is not modern racism but past racism. White families had centuries of generations able to accumulate wealth while African American, Latin American etc in many cases or amongst the first five generations free in America.

There is currently a greater disparity in the pay between Men and Women then Black and White.

Also on Expletive's suggestion that you can still find a handful of people who won't vote for Obama because he's Black, I can't find anyone who would say that.

ED I feel like you want to believe racism is a major problem and that is troubling to me. What type of racism have you experienced in your life?
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Old 07-16-2008, 12:43 PM   #2 (permalink)
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ED I feel like you want to believe racism is a major problem and that is troubling to me. What type of racism have you experienced in your life?
Like I just said, I live in a part of America where immigration is still a major issue and see racism directed at immigrants on almost a day to day basis by whites, blacks, and other races alike. There's a large amount of racial tension even in some of the upper class neighborhoods. My high school was in one of the wealthiest parts of Los Angeles, and even there every once in a while you would hear about a fight between blacks and Hispanics on campus.

As for Obama, I've read quite a few newspapers (given that I actually still trust the journalistic integrity of papers like the NY and LA Times and SF Chronicle) with quotes from seemingly average Americans from a variety of backgrounds about how they're uncomfortable with a black President. A while back, in what I believe was the New York Times, there was an entire article on how a lot of Jewish Florida voters weren't going to vote on Obama on the basis of race (among other things).
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Old 07-16-2008, 05:45 PM   #3 (permalink)
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My only question to adidasss and Expletive Deleted is: At what point does personal accountability come into play.

There is a distinction between races and average income, but it's moving in the right direction. It can't happen overnight. The reason for that inequality is not modern racism but past racism. White families had centuries of generations able to accumulate wealth while African American, Latin American etc in many cases or amongst the first five generations free in America.

There is currently a greater disparity in the pay between Men and Women then Black and White.

Also on Expletive's suggestion that you can still find a handful of people who won't vote for Obama because he's Black, I can't find anyone who would say that.

ED I feel like you want to believe racism is a major problem and that is troubling to me. What type of racism have you experienced in your life?
Police Brutality is the obvious example. Just recently a local police officer was exposed as a KKK affiliate.

MN POLICE BRUTALITY VIOLENCE & CORRUPTION ARCHIVES

they'res a link to a blog that keeps track of all of the accounts, in MN alone.

Or what about the subtle racism towards Obama from cable news-specifically FOX news. Im sure if you youtube "FOX NEWS OBAMA" you'll get plenty of results.

My step-dad had a film he was writing, but it got refused to be produced unless he made the main characters "white".

Just because the KKK aren't parading down the streets doesn't mean racism isn't around.You and i don't encounter it as much because were white, jay.

i agree it's gotten better over time, and hopefully will continue.
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Old 07-16-2008, 06:30 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Police Brutality is the obvious example. Just recently a local police officer was exposed as a KKK affiliate.

MN POLICE BRUTALITY VIOLENCE & CORRUPTION ARCHIVES

they'res a link to a blog that keeps track of all of the accounts, in MN alone.

Or what about the subtle racism towards Obama from cable news-specifically FOX news. Im sure if you youtube "FOX NEWS OBAMA" you'll get plenty of results.

My step-dad had a film he was writing, but it got refused to be produced unless he made the main characters "white".

Just because the KKK aren't parading down the streets doesn't mean racism isn't around.You and i don't encounter it as much because were white, jay.

i agree it's gotten better over time, and hopefully will continue.
How often is police brutality an issue? And how often is it exclusivley white cops and a black vicitm?

Here's the issue summed up as briefly as I can: Try to imagine yourself basing your treatment of another human being based solely on the color of their skin. Understand how absurd that sounds to you if you're a normal thinking person and keep that in mind before you go assuming that it's motivation for others.
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How often is police brutality an issue? And how often is it exclusivley white cops and a black vicitm?
" Research on police brutality against ethnic groups is increasing, particularly in Latino communities. Findings suggest a pattern of abuse, often without evidence of a crime and without appropriate review of police action. It is suggested that abuse will abate only when police departments operate openly and undergo public scrutiny. (MSE)"
-Roberto Rodriquez who conducted a story on i believe for a local news outlet.

"A P-I analysis found that africanb-americans are arrested for the crime of obstructing an officer eight times as whites often as when population is taking into account. Analysis, which examined six of Seattle municipal court records also found that almost half of these cases are dropped before trial."
-Taking from a seattle newspaper. Heres the whole link Blacks are arrested on 'contempt of cop' charge at higher rate

Even my own step brother has gotten pulled over numerous times without any legitimate reason for it.
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Here's the issue summed up as briefly as I can: Try to imagine yourself basing your treatment of another human being based solely on the color of their skin. Understand how absurd that sounds to you if you're a normal thinking person and keep that in mind before you go assuming that it's motivation for others.
I can't imagine myself doing it, but apparently some people can judge others simply on skin color. A lot of it likely has to do with stereotypes of black people tv ,and on the radio by many hip-hop artists who many people take too literally.

Try going up to kids my age and asking their reaction on racism. Black people who act intelligently are called "White" or "man, hes a white-black kid". Many white kids who grow up in the surburbs that i know our terrified of even taking a city bus.

It doesn't help that they got rid of the law that said cops had to patrol in the city they live in. Now you get cops who live in white neighborhoods coming into these "bad" neighborhoods not knowing how to conduct themselves.

What they need to do is make the cops do some community service or spend some time with families of the people they're falsely arresting.
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