The Unfan

I don't think it really matters. The fact is you're still holding a "holier than thou" attitude torward people with a difference in opinion and judging them for having that same attitude.

Actually, yes. Thats how science works. If you drop a ball 30 times and it falls every time than it is scientifically safe to assume if you drop the ball again it will fall. Since you can't prove a negative claim all we can conclude is that the tested positive claim theoretically should hold true.

Now apply it to your example. Let us assume we don't have any information on Canadians. When the first Canadian is met, if that Canadian is deaf, we should conclude that at least 1 Canadian is deaf. If we do this 40 (40 is an arbitrary number, I don't really know where the line should be drawn here) more times and all Canadians met to this point are deaf then it seems reasonable to conclude that Canadians are deaf. It would be impossible to prove "No Canadian isn't deaf" so you'd be forced to conclude that "Canadians are deaf" until you find proof of a positive assertion such as "A Canadian isn't deaf." To prove the positive assertion you would then need to find a Canadian who isn't deaf.

ADELE

who cares what oojay says man.
He aint writing great songs is he?
Just don't judge a person till you've met them.
I say racists are cowards because they are stating that they dislike other races regardless of anything to the contrary.
It doesn't matter how many people of a certain race you meet not all of them will hold to the same views about all things.
Whereas disliking a racist is based on the fact that you know that they dislike people of different races.
They have pigeon holed themselves by been the first to make a generalisation.
They were the first to pigieon hole themselves alot like oojay has done by extraporlating from a group he has met to everyone who belongs to that group.
But that group may contain christians, muslims, sports people, theives, preists, astromauts.
But what makes a racist the same as another racist is that they hate other races full stop.
Therefore I can judge a person who so keenly places themself's in such a pigieon hole.

ADELE

Funny how you use science and scientific logic to bulk up a point about black people been arseholes because of all the ones oojay has met.
I wonder where they last used that kind of logic?
Shiver and shudder.
My point about canadians was to explain that today in our world whoever we are we have enough knowledge to know that each race has a mix of people.
Your example while scientific is mixing peusdo science with a poinbt that is simply unable to stand up in todays world unless you are saying that oojay has really only seen the worst kind of black person and never met a decent one.
Is that possible and what type of people does he live around?
Or maybe he was just using a poor example.

The Unfan

We scientists use this kind of logic every day. Seriously, have you never studied the scientific method at all? I figured this base level of science was pretty well taught around 5th grade.

Sure, but your example also ignored how it is still logical to reach such a conclusion.

What part of the scientific method not being able to conclude a negative claim is pseudo-science?

ADELE

yes I do undertsand science.
But using science and racism together kind of gives me an impression about you.

Lets hang an elephant off a cliff using a human hair as science says it is feesable in physics to do so.
I smell the coffee..............

The Unfan

Canadians being deaf isn't necessarily racism.

Assuming you meet the right conditions than yes you could hang an elephant by a strand of human hair. Earth does not have those conditions.

Brad Stengel

I dont think thats racist, thats just retarted. Whenever I meet anyone they start out with a blank slate. That means if I know 100 guys who wear red shirts, and are all ****s, and I meet a guy in a red shirt, hes got a blank slate, and sometimes it sucks, and sometimes theyre alright guys. It applies to race too. I acknowledge even, due to my cynical tendencies, that its a bit naive: it IS scientific that if 100 black guys are ****ing *******s (btw knowing 4 or 5 is NOT scientific) and I meet a black guy, that I can assume based on the data that he will suck...but people arent numbers. And at the same time, most black people I know are douchebags, but so are most white people, most jews, most ***s, asians, etc., which is why racism never made sense to me. Every race and creed has their own unique annoying characteristics, and that makes them all suck equally, which is why (in general) personality-wise people who identify themselves with such inherent blanket characteristics such as race or religion, are wicked annoying terrible people.

In conclusion, if oojay actually only knows 100 black people and they all suck, it is scientific for him to assume all do. But what are the chances that hes just slightly bigoted? Much higher I feel.

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ADELE

well put!
I mean that.

[MERIT]

Whats with the personal vendetta here? I would gladly defend my POV but I think common sense has taken up that task for me.

jibber

your argument has nothing to do whatsoever with the argument at hand. Racism isnt a scientific process. It's fueled by hate and ignorance of other cultures and races. In the first sentence of your second paragraph, you pretty much prove m point. "Let's assume we don't have any information on Canadians." In today's world, anyone in the western world can access endless amounts of information on anything in question. ignorance is no longer an excuse for hating another person based solely on their race. If someone harbors feelings of hatred for another person SOLELY because of the colour of their skin, they are a racist, an ignorant bastard, and yes, a lesser person. my hatred for racist people is not at all the same as I am judging them for their ignorance and closedmindedness, not for their personal appearance which has no effect at all on what kind of person they are.

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