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Expletive Deleted · 08-05-2008, 06:32 PM

Oh yeah, a handful of wildly successful black people with mass appeal certainly proves that there's no such thing as racism against lower class minorities in America.

And I'd like to know where you got that last statistic from, since I haven't heard anything like that said anywhere.

Kevorkian Logic · 08-05-2008, 08:36 PM

this whole thread is ridiculous, or at least the first part.

adidasss · 08-06-2008, 03:19 AM

Why?

swim · 08-06-2008, 11:17 AM

I'm thinking mostly the comparison of yeoman farmers to slaves.

Kevorkian Logic · 08-06-2008, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

Why?

savannah's comments seem completely ridiculous and inane to me, hence me thinking that the first part of this thread is ridiculous.

WWWP · 08-06-2008, 02:41 PM

I think it's a rather good discussion.

SATCHMO · 08-06-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Predator

I just want to poke in here and say that had another continent been found with another group of people that could have filled the role of African slaves, they would have been used just the same. It was not a matter of finding black people and saying "lets use these black people for slaves". It was a matter of finding a group that could be exploited and doing just that. Slavery was not about race, it was about the ability to effectively exploit a large group of people regardless of race. It could have been anyone, it just happened to be Africans.

Yes, slavery is more of indictment of human nature and the corruption of power in general than it is a specific ethnic group. Just as any other ethnic group could have played the role of the exploited, any bergouning dynasty could have played the role of the exploiter.
I also think its kinda' fukked that y'all are taking savannah's affinity for an important and historically rich era of American history and using it to accuse her of being racist.

sleepy jack · 08-06-2008, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JayJamJah

Barack Obama has his largest leading in Presidential exit polling since he and Mccain became the two candidates listed as choices.

Well since you think Obama shows America isn't racist at all anymore I have two questions. Why do people still ask "Is America ready for a black president?" Do you think people would accuse him of being a secret Muslim if he was white? And expanding on that Muslim thing don't you think the fact people would consider him being Muslim a big deal says alot about how prejudice America is? Racism really isn't much different then hating someone because of their religious choices.

lucifer_sam · 08-06-2008, 05:21 PM

JJ has oft expressed his distaste for people that cry "racism" in the face of genuine social problems. I don't think it's our business to try and persuade him that there's some lingering racial issues in America. There will always be cynics in the world that hear nothing but bullshit when people present bona-fide problems that need to be addressed. I regret that he cannot come to terms regarding this particular issue, but I can't resent him for inheriting the cynicism of a lifetime.

Son of JayJamJah · 08-06-2008, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

Well since you think Obama shows America isn't racist at all anymore I have two questions. Why do people still ask "Is America ready for a black president?" Do you think people would accuse him of being a secret Muslim if he was white? And expanding on that Muslim thing don't you think the fact people would consider him being Muslim a big deal says alot about how prejudice America is? Racism really isn't much different then hating someone because of their religious choices.

Question One: Because there has never been one. Same reason we ask if we are ready for a female president. Has nothing to do with race.

Question Two: I think it has a whole lot more to do with the fact that his name is Barack Obama then it does with his skin color. I don't think the mindset (between racism and religious intolerance) is any different no, but I've never denied the existence of religious intolerance as a problem in America and elsewhere.

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