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Although the subject of slavery has raised plenty of debate can we get back on topic please. If an exclusive thread is needed or wanted for this issue then PM please.

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Originally Posted by savannah (Post 497349)

i mean, if you wanna blame someone, lets blame the dutch who brought them here,...its not like southern colonial americans said to themselves 'self, lets take a long as boat ride all the way to this africa place we've never even seen before,...and while we are there lets wrangle us up some black folks because they are black and we are better than them,....and lets make them our slaves'........no i dont think thats quite what happened,......slave owners saw them as a cheep effective way to tend their crops,........they didnt just hope up and go get them,.......

Yet the southerners perpetuated the system after ALL of Europe agreed it was a barbaric practice. The US was one of the last nations in Western culture in order abolish slavery, and it took a war to do that.

Ack sorry didn't see that last post, you want I should delete?

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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 497458)

Although the subject of slavery has raised plenty of debate can we get back on topic please. If an exclusive thread is needed or wanted for this issue then PM please.

Are you deaf?

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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 497480)

Are you deaf?

No, blind :rofl:

I think the posts related to slavery should be moved to another thread. It is a pretty good debate.

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Originally Posted by savannah (Post 497349)

ok,......first of all, you have to understand that the victor writes the text book, SO,.....historically the south is gonna come out lookin 'evil' due to the slavery issue,.....i honestly believe that slavery was more about field hands than black skin,.....it just happened to work out that way,....

Are you sure?

The lighter skinned Africans went for a higher price during auctioning..

a lot of the exploitation surrounding the Africans was the assumption they were dumber and more primitive.

They captured the slaves and forced them into Christianity, shoving the supieror "white jesus" down they're throat.

Blacks were used in circus' for amusement.

Those whites you were talking about where labeled as "blacks" so that they could be legally enslaved. Same goes for other non-white ethnicities. In fact most of those "white slaves" where European immigrants who weren't 'property of the slave owners, and after 5 years were free. Even the white convicts from Europe who were shipped over were only slaves temporarily. None of them were owned like the Africans.

The Chinese railroad workers were given the term "Heathen Chinee", or "less then blacks".

To think racism had nothing to do with slavery in the U.S. is ridiculous

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my bad jackhammer, need to look at all posts before commenting :<

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not that i really feel like gettin into this right now,...slavery in the pre war south was more about tending your crop than it was about race,.....there were just as many poor whites workin those fields as there were blacks,....
also,..i'm astounded you wouldnt think a lynch mob is romantic,....after all, everyone looks better in bon fire light, and there was normally one of those around,......not that i would know

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you are right, slavery is always about exploitation,...HOWEVER i dont think its always about race, which is what people wanna jump to first

It is about race. Why were black slaves used and not white slaves? Because to white Southerners black people were "lesser" than they were.

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ok,...so y'all may lynch me for sayin this myself,....but yep, for the time period,.....i see slavery as a different kind fo social system, and one that was implimented for agricultural purposes,......yes, there were just as many poor whites workin fields as their were black,....do you think black people are the only folks out there who know how to pick cotton? if you read more about the king cotton south you'll learn that there were all different races doing this work, that information is compiled through old journals and the like of the time,......room and board counting as payment,.....yes, in my mind, in that time, i feel that it did,.....

A social system? Are you retarded? You can't have a social system in which entire groups of people (yes, I agree that other races were treated just as poorly as blacks, but that doesn't mean that suddenly white Southerners weren't bad because they were equal opportunity racists) has virtually no rights. That's the whole point of slavery, it ISN'T a fair social system.

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sure is slavery is wrong, but it happened, and its not the end of the world like people wanna make it out to be

Yes, it isn't bad at all that white Southerners used, and treated, entire groups of people as nothing more than tools for their own personal benefit, and that the only way to stop them was to have a bloody civil war. Slavery is always wrong. Period.

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Of course they're going to look evil, THEY USED SLAVES! It doesn't matter who writes the textbook, you can't deny that. I'm not saying that all Northerners were better, but to say that slavery isn't "evil" is completely ridiculous.

Also, whether Southerners singled out black people or not, that's who they happened to choose, and that's who had to endure years of mistreatment at the hands of white plantation owners.

Why is this topic limited to just the American use of slaves?

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Originally Posted by Crowe (Post 497660)

Why is this topic limited to just the American use of slaves?

Because the original post was about the prewar South.

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Originally Posted by Crowe (Post 497660)

Why is this topic limited to just the American use of slaves?

Because it was the most widespread and solidifying usage of slavery in world history. Other cultures have employed slavery during tragic times, but America was the first to use it to build an economy and build a stratified system of procuring and utilizing Africans for labor. Most of us are aware of the enslavement of Eastern European peoples ("slave" is actually a derivative of "Slav") during the sixteenth century and earlier. However, it was not as widespread and for the most part, it was domestic slavery, much like an unpaid civil servant (no I'm not condoning it). Africans were viewed as prized possessions, objects which confirmed the owner's wealth.

When the New World was settled, the white invaders tried and failed to use labor from native peoples. I do not know if Africans were that much stronger or more "fit for physical labor," but that was the stigma. And so, Africa was raped of her culture and heritage as millions upon untold millions were shipped from west African nations because the white man assumed he was the superior being. And there they toiled for three hundred years under the burning sun.

The thing that sets the United States apart from all those other countries that legalized slavery is the fact that the American economy was built upon slave labor.

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Originally Posted by Expletive Deleted (Post 497570)

Sure, the pre-war South was about tending to the crops...using black slaves. The "poor whites" you say that worked the fields were NOT slaves, they're not even comparable. Also, there were "just as many"? I'd like to see what statistic you heard that leads you to believe that poor whites were used just as often as black slaves.

Even the indentured servants had a choice to work, and were treated far better than slaves given the fact that they were actually white themselves. Not to mention the fact that once slaves became the laborers of choice, white indentured servants were all but done away with.

Also, you joking about a lynch mob isn't funny in the slightest. Are you going to joke about how funny the Holocaust is next?

It is about race. Why were black slaves used and not white slaves? Because to white Southerners black people were "lesser" than they were.

A social system? Are you retarded? You can't have a social system in which entire groups of people (yes, I agree that other races were treated just as poorly as blacks, but that doesn't mean that suddenly white Southerners weren't bad because they were equal opportunity racists) has virtually no rights. That's the whole point of slavery, it ISN'T a fair social system.

Yes, it isn't bad at all that white Southerners used, and treated, entire groups of people as nothing more than tools for their own personal benefit, and that the only way to stop them was to have a bloody civil war. Slavery is always wrong. Period.

Of course they're going to look evil, THEY USED SLAVES! It doesn't matter who writes the textbook, you can't deny that. I'm not saying that all Northerners were better, but to say that slavery isn't "evil" is completely ridiculous.

Also, whether Southerners singled out black people or not, that's who they happened to choose, and that's who had to endure years of mistreatment at the hands of white plantation owners.

OMG youre so right,...thank you so much for makeing me see that and saveing me from my evil southernness,......i might as well change my name to,......scranton, or something and start wearing blue,........how could i have been so blind,....OMG