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Brad Stengel 09-20-2008 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan (Post 521736)
How is self awareness required for free will? You can process thought without awareness.

I guess. Free will is a moot point, humans know the difference between right and wrong, and are capable of using logic over emotion, something most racists (and cats) have a difficult time doing.

The Unfan 09-20-2008 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad Stengel (Post 521811)
I guess. Free will is a moot point, humans know the difference between right and wrong, and are capable of using logic over emotion, something most racists (and cats) have a difficult time doing.

How is racism not logical? If you know 400 Japanese people and all of them are murderers it would be logical for you to not trust Japanese people based off of personal experience.

Brad Stengel 09-20-2008 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan (Post 521818)
How is racism not logical? If you know 400 Japanese people and all of them are murderers it would be logical for you to not trust Japanese people based off of personal experience.

First of all this mathemetical ridiculousness is inherently illogical because nobodys ever only met 400 Japenese people, all of which are murderers. People are people, and either way its correlating how someone ACTS with how they LOOK, two things COMPLETELY unrelated. Human logic can go beyond that of a mere calculator, and factor in critical thinking, hence making your argument illogical.

What was that psychologist that proposed that personality was based on appearance? It was a theory about 100-150 yrs ago, part of it stated that fat people are always jovial...its absurd, almost as absurd as this argument.

jibber 09-23-2008 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Brad Stengel (Post 521836)
First of all this mathemetical ridiculousness is inherently illogical because nobodys ever only met 400 Japenese people, all of which are murderers. People are people, and either way its correlating how someone ACTS with how they LOOK, two things COMPLETELY unrelated. Human logic can go beyond that of a mere calculator, and factor in critical thinking, hence making your argument illogical.

What was that psychologist that proposed that personality was based on appearance? It was a theory about 100-150 yrs ago, part of it stated that fat people are always jovial...its absurd, almost as absurd as this argument.

thank you. I was getting extremely tired of trying to tell the few people spouting off mathematical sequences as if they could be applied to human behavior that they are utter idiots. you summed it up very nicely.

The Unfan 09-23-2008 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Brad Stengel (Post 521836)
First of all this mathemetical ridiculousness is inherently illogical because nobodys ever only met 400 Japenese people, all of which are murderers. People are people, and either way its correlating how someone ACTS with how they LOOK, two things COMPLETELY unrelated. Human logic can go beyond that of a mere calculator, and factor in critical thinking, hence making your argument illogical.

Not really though. You could be correlating how someone acts with the genetic differences between different races. That and I'm still confused as to why you deny that war vets exist.

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What was that psychologist that proposed that personality was based on appearance? It was a theory about 100-150 yrs ago, part of it stated that fat people are always jovial...its absurd, almost as absurd as this argument.
These men are made of straws.

Brad Stengel 09-23-2008 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan (Post 523067)
Not really though. You could be correlating how someone acts with the genetic differences between different races. That and I'm still confused as to why you deny that war vets exist.

These men are made of straws.



If youre reffering to an example I gave about my grandfather hating the Japenese, basically what I explained was that its still illogical for him to think that, there are people out there that still recognize that war is hell, and theres probably japanese that think the same way about white people. Its still a stupid way to think, but Im not going to call him out on it because he went through some shit, and its not that big of a deal for him to hold that opinion. I think it differs alot from someone who hates black people because they encountered a few rude ones.

But considering he lived in New England and rarely even had to encounter Japanese people, it probably added to his prejudice since it didnt really interfere with his life at all. If I hate Kazakstanians, I could easily hold that hatred for a long time without being challenged since I wont ever encounter one.

The Unfan 09-23-2008 01:51 PM

Great, but you still didn't answer the case of hating the genetic differences as opposed to appearence. What if I hate black people because they're at a higher risk of sickle cell anemia and not because they of their skin tone or big lips?

Brad Stengel 09-23-2008 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan (Post 523146)
Great, but you still didn't answer the case of hating the genetic differences as opposed to appearence. What if I hate black people because they're at a higher risk of sickle cell anemia and not because they of their skin tone or big lips?


You wouldn't because thats retarted. Its come to the point where you have to use absurd examples to defend the fact that racism is logical, which it clearly isnt seeing as you just said, "What if I just hate someone because of a non-contagious disease they acquired due to a genetic abnormality?"

The Unfan 09-23-2008 05:56 PM

Yeah, but what if I did? You keep side stepping my point by claiming its absurd as opposed to answering it.

Fyrenza 09-23-2008 06:50 PM

youre saying that its logical to be prejudiced against a certain race of people based on certain genetic characteristics of that race?

actually the example you give is more one of selective breeding than prejudice

but many nations have practiced that and i suppose that in a warped sort of way it could be thought of as prejudice


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