Indecision 2008 -what do you think????? (member, quote, history)

Son of JayJamJah · 07-20-2008, 07:42 PM

@ Cobhcnick

If you listen long enough you'll hear everyone suggest every hair brained scenario imaginable. You have to decide for yourself what seems reasonable and what seems like hyperbole or outright fallacy. In two searches I was able to find a report contradicting your claims as well as this counter claim:

Ralph Nader and Democratic Candidate John Kerry held a widely publicized meeting early in the 2004 Presidential campaign, which Nader described in An Unreasonable Man. Nader said that John Kerry wanted to work to win Nader's support and the support of Nader's voters. Nader then provided more than 20 pages of issues that he felt were important and he "put them on the table" for John Kerry. According to Nader the issues covered topics ranging from environmental, labor, healthcare, tax reform, corporate crime, campaign finance reform and various consumer protection issues.

Nader reported that he asked John Kerry to choose any 3 of the issues and highlight them in his campaign and if Kerry would do this, he would refrain from the race. Several months passed and Kerry failed to adopt any of Nader's issues as benchmarks of his campaign, so on February 22, 2004, Nader announced on NBC that he would indeed run for president as an independent, saying, "There's too much power and wealth in too few hands."

Paying Nader not to run — Nader also reported in the documentary An Unreasonable Man that many wealthy Democratic donors offered to give money to his public interest groups if he declined to run, however, none of these groups would go a step further to guarantee that his issues would get a fair hearing in Washington. Nader replied, "why should I spend all of your money working on issues that are just going to run into a brick wall in Washington?"

The fact that people are willing to vote for candidates they know won't win suggests maybe the major candidates are not meeting expectations.

View Poll Results: Who will it be?
Obama	42	79.25%
McCain	5	9.43%
**** you RezZ, I'm not telling you!	6	11.32%
Voters: 53. You may not vote on this poll

07-20-2008, 07:42 PM	#10 (permalink)
Son of JayJamJah Occams Razor Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: End of the Earth Posts: 2,472	@ Cobhcnick If you listen long enough you'll hear everyone suggest every hair brained scenario imaginable. You have to decide for yourself what seems reasonable and what seems like hyperbole or outright fallacy. In two searches I was able to find a report contradicting your claims as well as this counter claim: Ralph Nader and Democratic Candidate John Kerry held a widely publicized meeting early in the 2004 Presidential campaign, which Nader described in An Unreasonable Man. Nader said that John Kerry wanted to work to win Nader's support and the support of Nader's voters. Nader then provided more than 20 pages of issues that he felt were important and he "put them on the table" for John Kerry. According to Nader the issues covered topics ranging from environmental, labor, healthcare, tax reform, corporate crime, campaign finance reform and various consumer protection issues. Nader reported that he asked John Kerry to choose any 3 of the issues and highlight them in his campaign and if Kerry would do this, he would refrain from the race. Several months passed and Kerry failed to adopt any of Nader's issues as benchmarks of his campaign, so on February 22, 2004, Nader announced on NBC that he would indeed run for president as an independent, saying, "There's too much power and wealth in too few hands." Paying Nader not to run — Nader also reported in the documentary An Unreasonable Man that many wealthy Democratic donors offered to give money to his public interest groups if he declined to run, however, none of these groups would go a step further to guarantee that his issues would get a fair hearing in Washington. Nader replied, "why should I spend all of your money working on issues that are just going to run into a brick wall in Washington?" The fact that people are willing to vote for candidates they know won't win suggests maybe the major candidates are not meeting expectations.