Washington probably was a Christian, yes. He did have strong ties to the Anglican church. However, my point wasn't ever that he wasn't a Christian, just that he wasn't outspoken about it and he didn't want America to be a Christian nation. In fact, one of his biggest issues was religious tolerance including ALL RELIGIONS. Outside of that he didn't speak much of his personal faith in public because he didn't want it to be a public issue. So yes, while he was in fact a Christian, he was opposed to a Christian American.

As for Jefferson, those quotes are absurdly off. First off, Jefferson was definitely not a Christian. He believed in a god, certainly. However, he was against all the mysticism and supernatural events in the bible. He believed none of the "miracles" to be true, nor did he believe the bible to be an accurate account in any sense. as is evident by his letters. The list given is pretty extensive, but if you wade through them you'll see that he clearly didn't believe in the Judeo-Christian character God, but more so a natural kind of "god". In fact he even made his own altered version of the bible removing all of the mystical escapism horse ****.

Furthermore I'll requote the one Jefferson "quote" here worth discussing as it is the only one with any slight validity to it, and I can explain away the Christian slant with a bit of ease.
Upon understanding that Jefferson did not believe in the supernatural nature of God (as I already pointed out, and made clearly evident) you can replace all uses of the word God and with "natural arbitrary creation event" and get the proper meaning behind this (actually its 2 quotes, the first sentence marked in green was from a writing about the boston tea party. The name escapes my mind as I haven't studied this topic since 8th grade) quote. Essentially what he is saying is "Whatever natural event or being created us is pretty ****ing mighty and I tremble in its glory. May the glory of the natural creation never cease to exist" or something to that extent.

Ethics and Morality are personal standards that are created as a result of the environment and people who raise the individual.

Or the founders wanted to seperate from the church of England to, you know, have the freedom to choose what they believe and practice doing so without the government stepping in. Just a hunch though.

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So is this just really bad trolling or what?

Smart people believing in God doesn't count as scientific evidence. No one denied that smart people believed in God.

I'd deny it.

No one ever claimed that they could "prove" anything with science. There is no "absolute" proof, but theories and laws are far better than mere superstitious guesswork.

You are missing the point. The Founding Fathers were not perfect. They did not view women as equals. They did not believe that Native Americans deserved to be treated properly and they supported (if, in some cases, hesitantly) the practice of slavery. They realized their imperfections, which is why the Constitution can be amended.

if you go from Urbans "100 things that..." and then to this one you'd swear you were on two different boards.

I'll say. She sounded somewhat moderate at first...but I have a sneaking suspicion she is a bible-thumper.

I mean there is a theory of gravity too, but no one argues that for some reason...

^I actually once did, in Science class, stoned. My premis was that, some radical mormons don't believe in gravity... and I tried to justify that by demonstration. The demonstration was that I stood in front of my science teacher, and dropped a pencil. I said, "Most people would say that's the work of gravity. But who's to say that isn't an illusion?" I was just trying to be an ass, really. We got a good laugh out of it.

"Girls... they may take your right away. But they will NEVER take your right away to get drunk and fall down a flight of stairs. CUZ YA CAN'T ARREST GRAVITY, ****OS!" -Dave Attel