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ProggyMan 08-03-2008 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Double X (Post 503256)
I know. And that's why I don't care too much, because it will never happen. Just like how if we give guns to everyone there won't be a massive rebellion either.

People make too big a deal about it. Espicially my aunt who is the epitome of 'Think of the children!' and is for banning every gun except a bright orange handgun with a 3mm caliber and crooked barrel. And my dad's cousin who I swear acts like he was born in the 1800s.

It's not just the right to own guns, taking away something like that is a serious infringement on individual rights, just because it doesn't directly affect you doesn't mean you should dismiss it.

Double X 08-03-2008 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword (Post 503264)
The more you don't care, the bigger chance it will happen.

If people collectively think that. And people collectively think it's a HUGE issue, so I am not concerned.

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan (Post 503289)
It's not just the right to own guns, taking away something like that is a serious infringement on individual rights, just because it doesn't directly affect you doesn't mean you should dismiss it.

Yeah, I don't dismiss it. It's a real issue happening but since it doesn't affect me I don't really have an opinion on it.

For example, say politicians tell you aren't allowed to grow Peruvian death peppers (a la The Simpsons) and people feel it's their basic right to grow it because right to property and their is a huge argument. Since you never plan on growing them it doesn't affect you.

TheBig3 08-03-2008 03:32 PM

No idea. He should be losing by a healthy 10 points given their position in the political spectrum but their neck and neck. You have a better idea of knowing after the first debate, but right now who knows.

However, given the economy and everything I keep reading about McCain's knowledge of it, we're pretty much screwed if he wins.

He's admitted he knows little to nothing about Social Security but claims its "ghastly."

His economic council is apathetic and in the pocket of big business.

His belief in Reaganomics at this juncture will prove more disastrous than the housing market and Bear Sterns combined.

sleepy jack 08-03-2008 04:24 PM

John McCain's surrogate was saying it was a 'mental recession' and he wanted America to just 'suck it up.' Normally I'd just say whatever that can't really be McCain's thoughts on the subject (because dismissing the economic climate of America as in our heads would be idiotic) but I saw a heavily sugarcoated speech he gave later which basically said the same thing.

TheBig3 08-04-2008 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack (Post 503330)
John McCain's surrogate was saying it was a 'mental recession' and he wanted America to just 'suck it up.' Normally I'd just say whatever that can't really be McCain's thoughts on the subject (because dismissing the economic climate of America as in our heads would be idiotic) but I saw a heavily sugarcoated speech he gave later which basically said the same thing.

He has no thought on the subject is the problem. Not every problem needs to be mastered by the executive, but his cabinet ought to know something about the issue. Phil Grahm will likely be his econmic council. if thats the case, we're in for Depression era failure.

anticipation 08-07-2008 01:11 PM

As much as I would love to see an Illinois senator as the president, I don't think that the results of Obama becoming president would be so beneficial to the nation. Hypothetically speaking, African-American reaction to his win might be pretty crazy, at least in inner cities. When Harold Washington was elected Mayor of Chicago, crime increased and public transportation came to a halt because of his inabilty to gain the support of white city council. Imagine this scenario on a larger scale involving the senate and congress versus Obama. Despite their best efforts to convince people otherwise, anyone with a brain knows that Washington is one of the most racially charged cities in America. Public reaction might not be so docile as people predict.

Conversely, I am in no way advocating the election of McCain. What do you think other countries would think of America if we had the Crypt Keeper as our president? He looks like he's about to ****ing disintigrate.

sleepy jack 08-24-2008 02:17 PM

Obama is going to have a lot of trouble getting the support of the Clinton fans. Honestly he should have chose Hilary. Hilary is in prime spot for 2012 (if obama looses) / 2016 election years. Hilary could say she supported McCain and all her followers would support McCain, the democratic party wouldn't condemn her for it, because the democrat power houses/ money makers are all Clinton supporters.

Frankly I don't think Obama can win (THANK GOD). He has the most liberal voting record, borderline communist. Hamaas, terrorist organization, has openly come out and supported him. He also went to the church of Jeremiah Wright and won't condemn the man for saying "God Damn America" yet a year earlier he condemns Imus for making racial comments at the texas (Texas i think) women's basketball team. Talk about a hypocrite. Besides that Obama has said he will break international law to meet with communist leaders around the world.

Need proof? No Hussein

NOBAMA 08

WaspStar 08-24-2008 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JayJamJah (Post 503120)
Our choices are awful.

We have two completely fake people who have sold their political souls.


They never had any souls to begin with. "I don't need to sell my soul, he's already in me..."

Thankfully they're not our only choices.

Son of JayJamJah 08-24-2008 06:34 PM

Only viable choices

joderu95 08-24-2008 06:47 PM

[QUOTE=JayJamJah;503120]Our choices are awful.QUOTE]

They typically are and will continue to be without major reform. It's a class issue and Democrats and Republicans ultimately both fall on the same side of that struggle.


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