Originally Posted by Double X (Post 499413)

I'm not advocating for socialism (would not be against it though) but if we can take money from some people to help boost up another class why not. Using that money to get homeless and poor people more work would help this country greatly.

Originally Posted by JayJamJah (Post 499418)

Why should the wealthy be held accountable for that?

What have they done to limit others from obtaining wealth?

If you give people hand outs you take away their motivation, it is not good for the country. You create a sense of entitlement and apathy in people as well. It will only give them a temporary boost as well, it's not as if we can pull the destitute from the ranks of poverty with money. They need a change in lifestyle and attitude first.

The extremely wealthy already give back more then half of their income in taxes and are responsible for more then 3/4 the charitable donations in this country.

When the government takes money it uses it poorly. The biggest problem I have with your idea is that. You are saying you trust the government more then the citizens to do what's right. I don't like that at all.

Government socialized health care is lazy, selfish and ultimately unfair.

Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword (Post 499422)

I understand that you want to help other people in need and I am all for that, but I don't see how it is moral at all to steal from the rich and give to the poor. The fact of the matter is that I don't really care about the country as a whole, and I see myself as an individual in this world. Since I have only one perspective, why should I decide how another person should forcibly give there money away when they don't want to. It isn't a matter of being selfish at all. It is a matter of protecting someones basic rights of doing what they want with their property.


The reason is because of the huge amounts of taxes on the middle class, which will increase with socialized health-care. These taxes also stop more people from getting rich, which theoretically stops more people from giving money. This is because in the large middle class, there are probably more people who would give more. If these people were able to get more money, they may give that money away.

Originally Posted by Double X (Post 499667)

I think we can tax many of the wealthy families who just save their money so their great great grandchildren don't have to work.

Originally Posted by Double X (Post 499667)

When people struggle to live, we should help them. It's silly to think that someone wants their basic rights to be protected just so they can hoard more of their money.

Taxing the middle class over the top is crazy, but I think we can tax many of the wealthy families who just save their money so their great great grandchildren don't have to work.

Originally Posted by JayJamJah (Post 499676)

So if rich people are given money they won't work hard, but if poor people are given money they will?

I know you don't think that, but do you see what I mean. Endless hand outs take away motivation. Endless handouts (i.e welfare, rent control, those who abuse unemployment etc) take away motivation. Endless handouts are the socialist solution.

I would rather leave it up to the private citizens like you and I'd like to think my self who are willing to sacrifice what they can to help those less fortunate. Don't force people to do it, especially when there are no results to show for their efforts.

I love where your heart is, I am only arguing the best way to accomplish what we both want.

Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword (Post 499819)

The fact is that I don't see how you should have the authority over someone else's property who doesn't want you to. It would be like me coming over to your house and taking your computer because I want to give it to someone else. While that doesn't perfectly match up because the rich could just buy a new one, rich people are quite stingy and do not want other hands on there money. Therefore, I don't think we are morally right and taking there money, whatever the cause. It is kind of like respecting a culture when you go to another country. You want to do something they are doing, but it is a matter of respect.

Originally Posted by Double X (Post 499826)

I can't bear myself to let that happen. When the richer are just hoarding their money it seems so much worse than raising taxes so we actually do stuff with that money.

Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword (Post 499850)

Now you sound like a fundamentalist Christian...

I mean, it is exactly like that. You think you know utopia, and since yours will interfere with others freedoms it becomes a problem.

Like I said, it is just like bringing religion into politics.

Originally Posted by Double X (Post 499999)

So you would rather 'let things sort themselves out' and watch people starve on the streets?