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Frownland 01-10-2018 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1912936)
Lets try this: would you also argue that pharmaceutical treatments are inherently bad or is it the way the system uses them that creates problems?

I think I get what you're saying here but it seems like a bit of a false equivalency. Money doesn't work without a system that supports it which makes separating it from those systems a misnomer. A pharmaceutical treatment is consistent whether it's administered once or one million times.

Oriphiel 01-10-2018 02:34 PM

You're not gonna win this one, DwnWthVwls. Frown has a +10 against Jersey Logic. Plus, with Chula as his wingfish, he can call in a Boston Boys support squad.

DwnWthVwls 01-10-2018 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1912938)
I think I get what you're saying here but it seems like a bit of a false equivalency. Money doesn't work without a system that supports it which makes separating it from those systems a misnomer. A pharmaceutical treatment is consistent whether it's administered once or one million times.

so youre arguing its impossible to set up a system where wealth is not oppressive? I dont see how you could make that claim, but if you were to demonstrate it id be willing to change my position.

Frownland 01-10-2018 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1912942)
so youre arguing its impossible to set up a system where wealth is not oppressive? I dont see how you could make that claim, but if you were to demonstrate it id be willing to change my position.

Do you have an example that shows that it is possible or at least one that gets close? Because as far as I know money=influence and power every time it was around.

DwnWthVwls 01-10-2018 02:43 PM

Yes, but power =/= oppression. Oppression is multifaceted and while money may certainly be a driving force, it is definitely not the only variable.

And I don't have the burden of proof. I'm not convinced of the claim that wealth = oppression.

Frownland 01-10-2018 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1912946)
Yes, but power =/= oppression. Oppression is multifaceted and while money may certainly be a driving force, it is definitely not the only variable.

And I don't have the burden of proof. I'm not convinced of the claim that wealth = oppression.

I added influence as an edit.

You also said this

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I already aknowledged that i accept the power money can buy within our system.
I don't think that this is exclusive to our current system but rather that it's ubiquitous across every system that we've attempted that involved money. The burden of proof is now on you to show a system that successfully separates power and wealth.

I suppose that the real disagreement here might be that an ever-present opportunity for oppression isn't the same as oppression and I guess that comes down to opinion.

OccultHawk 01-10-2018 02:54 PM

You can’t get no honey if you ain’t got no money.

OccultHawk 01-10-2018 02:55 PM

Romance without finance just don’t make sense

IT’S A DRAG

Trollheart 01-10-2018 03:08 PM

Love and marriage go together like a horse and carriage
This I tell you, brother: you can't have one without the other.

OccultHawk 01-10-2018 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1912967)
the only system where wealth won't be oppressive is one in which individuals can't obtain wealth to begin with

when you create haves you create have nots

Church


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