The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

[OccultHawk]

There’s people who are willing to see the truth and people who see the shared hallucination that keeps them from wanting to die.

[DwnWthVwls]

Originally Posted by Frownland

Is that really a distinction? If the people with money have control over essentially any system in a way that they are able to set it up even more to their advantage, then isn't money at the core of that?

I mean i guess not if you continue to ignore the philosophical discussion im trying to create by applying real world examples as a counter argument. I already aknowledged that i accept the power money can buy within our system.

Edit: at work with terrible service fml. Please connect the dots between wealth being inherently oppressive.

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

I mean i guess so if you continue to ignore the philosophical discussion im trying to create by applying real world examples as a counter argument. I already aknowledged that i accept the power money can buy within our system.

That still doesnt make wealth equal oppression.

Unless you need something.

[DwnWthVwls]

Youre on Chula status until you bother saying something useful.

[OccultHawk]

I said it all already.

[DwnWthVwls]

Thank you for your contributions.

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Thank you for your contributions.

You’re welcome. You might be able to do the same someday.

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by elphenor

how could you live in this dimension and not see how wealth of any level will grant you more freedoms than those without

It’s a matter of not wanting to see.

[Chula Vista]

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Youre on Chula status until you bother saying something useful.

[INSULT REDACTED]

From Politifact

So as Independence Day approaches, we thought we’d offer a little history lesson on who the major founding fathers were, and where they came from.

After consulting several scholars and other sources, we found that -- with some exceptions -- central figures in the nation’s founding generally came from privileged backgrounds, attended college at a time when very few people did and, by 1776, were prominent and wealthy.

"They weren't ordinary," said Brown University emeritus history professor Gordon Wood, author of "Creation of the American Republic," "Revolutionary Characters: What Made the Founders Different" and other books. "They were the elite of the day, involved in highest levels of the society."

From The Atlantic

In January of 1944, in the midst of the terrifying days of World War II, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt unveiled a huge idea in his State of the Union address. The nation had fought its enemies to ensure its residents remained free, he said, but American citizens could not be truly free if they were constantly worrying about where their next meal was coming from or if they could afford a roof over their heads. “People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made,” he said.

To remedy this problem, he proposed adding a new set of guaranteed provisions to supplement the country’s founding documents.

He wanted Americans to have the right to a “useful and remunerative” job in America’s industries, shops, farms, or mines. He wanted families to have the right to a decent home, and he wanted everyone to have the right to adequate medical care and the “opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health.” He thought Americans should have the right to a good education, and the right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment.

Today, these are things that could define the American Dream: a good job, a home, health care, and security. But it’s interesting that including such provisions in the country’s guiding documents weren’t mentioned until some 168 years after the America’s founding.

FDR styled these proposals a “second bill of rights.” The first Bill of Rights, of course, refers to the first 10 amendments to the U.S. Constitution, which allowed for, among other things, freedom of the press, the right to bear arms, and the right to a trial by jury. Those rights, at the time, were top of mind among the country’s founders, who were concerned most with getting Great Britain out of their affairs. The founders didn’t concern themselves with what people in their young country would do if they got sick and couldn’t pay their rent. In fact, neither the Bill of Rights, nor the Declaration of Independence, nor the U.S. Constitution talk explicitly about the nation’s role in making sure its citizens have jobs or homes or earned enough to avoid being impoverished. The only line that even comes close appears in the preamble to the Constitution, where “We the People of the United States” pledge to “promote the general Welfare.” But at no point in the founding literature do the founding fathers identify what constitutes general welfare, or how nation should be upholding it.

Re: Oppression

In a system where "the system" makes laws geared towards aiding the rich and not the poor, aren't those who can't afford to make ends meet in regards to food and shelter, can't afford decent physical and mental health care, and are basically kicked to the curb by society OPPRESSED?

But I digress. I'm really glad you are happy and content with your place in the economic spectrum - **** off from all of us who aren't because the system ****ed us over.

[Frownland]