So it's okay to infringe on the rights of business owners and force them to do things against their will. That's what it boils down to.

So if NAMBLA [child molesters] wanted a cake, you would want the bakers to be FORCED to bake it AGAINST THEIR WILL?

You are saying that one "right" trumps another. That can't be so in a republic, which this country is.

No, they have the freedom to close down if they don't want to follow the law.

If their request is consistent with the service that they provide to anyone else, then yes.

:laughing: Do you genuinely think that you're doing anything different?

Yes, the rights of an individual are absolutely superior to the right to infringe on the rights of another individual.

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And you think that is right? Just because something is the law, does not mean that it is right. Slavery was once legal.

So, when, in your mind, does a vendor have the right to refuse service? Never? They just have to bend and do whatever shit a customer says?

What if the customer is an asshole?

What if the person is LEGALLY open carrying a firearm, but the store has a no-firearms policy? Can they refuse service and ask him to leave? Is THAT not discrimination?

You pansies can't just pick and choose when you want laws to apply.

Brass tacks. MERIT is a homophobe. Plain and simple. Let's stop mincing words. The guy hates homosexuals. He goes out of his way to try and disguise it with stupid analogies but it's clear as day.

Bet he sucked a dick when he was younger and now he's simply confused and lashing out.

Bar owner choosing to stop serving someone who's obviously pissed drunk = baker refusing to make a cake with two plastic dude figures on the top.

All you need to know right there.

Nope, I am talking about personal freedom and liberty. I'm part native American. If it were a bakery refusing to bake a cake because they hate native Americans then I would still argue that they have that right as an owner. I'm a straight male. If a gay bakery refused to bake me a cake based on that fact, I would still argue that that is their prerogative and RIGHT.

So your lame attempt to pigeon hole me is a waste of time.

Wow, I can see why everyone here hates you.

Personal opinion of the vendor = Personal opinion of the vendor. Pretty simple math, even if you don't like the factors.

Yes, I think that it is right for a business to treat customers on the same set of standards.

When the customer is being unreasonable such as by requesting a service that the business doesn't offer, if they're being aggressive or violent, if they are not complying with your posted rules or local ordinances, and many other cases that go far beyond something innate like sexuality or skin colour.

As long as they're not a big enough ******* during the transaction to be deemed unreasonable, then they get to have a cake too.

You can leave your firearm at home or check it when you get into the business. You can't do that as easily with something like skin colour or sexuality which is why we made these laws in the first place.

To you and everyone else in this thread: Stop the name calling or you will be banned.

Anyways, show me where I'm being selective in this instance. I firmly believe in equal protection under the law for homosexuals, minorities, straight people, Nazis, geniuses, and idiots alike.

You can hold Libertarian views without being a bigot.

ENTIRE POINT OF THIS ARGUMENT: You do not have the "right" to someone else's labor. This has nothing to do with the reason the person was denied a fucking cake. What is the goal of the 2 gay people: to get a wedding cake or to make a political statement? If their goal was to get a wedding cake, they would just go find someone else to make them one. Pretty simple.

So which is more important:
A: The right to infringe on rights.
B: The right to be treated like everyone else.

You're utilizing circular reasoning.

You don't have the "right" to make others treat you any particular way. That's ridiculous.