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Old 11-02-2017, 12:38 PM   #7791 (permalink)
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I understand the sentiment though you should remember democracy didn't really bring The Donald

And the argument was what should dems do or not do and I don't think the answer is to abandon principle to pander to white voters

That's pretty much true sadly. Neither the Democrats or Republicans seem to be true believers in democracy anymore. Hilary Clinton muscled her way to the Democratic nomination and probably would have had it in 2008 if Obama hadn't been so captivating. I'm not saying Bernie Sanders would have won in a fair fight (he probably wouldn't have)but it did seem odd that candidates who would have blown her candidacy out of the water like Elizabeth Warren and Joe Biden wouldn't run against her. The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if the Clintons had something on them.

The Republicans have been cynically courting the white vote since George Bush the elder in 1988 and what a surprise that it blew up in their face. Thus we were left with what the guys at South Park affectionately said was a choice between a douchebag and a turd sandwich. The only good thing about Trump's election is that it ended the career of little Miss Ambition. As horrified as I was about the result, there was a certain satisfaction of seeing Hilary practically sobbing with her self-serving plans being foiled.

And you're right about the second part too, Elph. If you truly believe in democracy, you shouldn't have to pander to anybody, Democrat, Republican, or otherwise
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Old 11-02-2017, 02:01 PM   #7792 (permalink)
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Antifa going on the rampage on Nov 4th?
What's the significance of the date?
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Old 11-02-2017, 02:05 PM   #7793 (permalink)
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What's the significance of the date?
You don't remember the 4th of November?
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Old 11-02-2017, 02:14 PM   #7794 (permalink)
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You don't remember the 4th of November?
Only the fifth.
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Old 11-02-2017, 02:15 PM   #7795 (permalink)
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Only the fifth.
If you had seen Office Space, you would know. It's Guy Fawkes night.
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Old 11-02-2017, 02:21 PM   #7796 (permalink)
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If you had seen Office Space, you would know. It's Guy Fawkes night.
That's the fifth not the fourth.
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Old 11-02-2017, 02:24 PM   #7797 (permalink)
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That's the fifth not the fourth.
I can confirm it is indeed the fifth and not the fourth.
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Old 11-02-2017, 02:25 PM   #7798 (permalink)
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I can confirm it is indeed the fifth and not the fourth.
I'm sure he knows this and is just trying to annoy me.
But what is the significance of November 4, really?
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Old 11-02-2017, 02:25 PM   #7799 (permalink)
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The Republicans have been cynically courting the white vote since George Bush the elder in 1988
Nixon, too.

Hell, both parties. Bill Clinton was aggressive on immigration. He pandered to whitey. So did Obama. You can’t win if you don’t.

But this isn’t only not pandering to whitey this is openly saying your policy is to discriminate against white job candidates. No matter how well that can be justified white people aren't going to be ok with that. Even if you can convince me it’s fair it doesn’t matter. I’m not interested in being a martyr. If the politics become unavoidably identity based then what the **** are you going to do. I’m not moving to the back of the bus because BLM is throwing a hissy fit. I don’t give a **** if it’s my turn at the back or what the **** ever.
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Old 11-02-2017, 02:26 PM   #7800 (permalink)
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You don't remember the 4th of November?
Wasn't expecting this joke from Frown.
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