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10-10-2017, 11:33 AM | #7272 (permalink) |
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Other countries. All countries. Your arguments about Ireland are applicable to my position.
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10-10-2017, 11:34 AM | #7273 (permalink) |
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AAMOI then, what do you think about my contention that by voting for "ordinary guys" from your locality that you can get things done? How does that fit in with not voting? Just curious.
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Because rich people have ideals just like we do, except they have the clout to make those ideals a reality. Obama promised the right things to the right people, and successfully funded his campaign. Looks like this time the conservatives were the ones who threw their money and promises around harder. Sometimes the liberals win, sometimes the republicans win, but either way, both benefit from this system where people are polarized between joining one side or the other. My point isn't that there is some shadowy room in washington where rich people hang out and make decisions. Hardly. My point is that most of the wealthy in America are connected to either the liberals or the conservatives, and get richer off of their constituents. They benefit from funneling people into one of two sides. Of course, as soon as someone expresses discontent with bipartisan politics, or suggests a system more similar to what Trollheart described is in place in Ireland, where people have more options, and there's more transparency with their local politicians and local issues, both the liberals and the conservatives get angry, and shame them into not supporting either side.
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10-10-2017, 11:37 AM | #7275 (permalink) | |
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On a smaller level, our system can work well. Our govt has been forced into either backing down or changing systems they wanted to implement by the work of independents and coalitions of same. A good example is the water charges, which were finally defeated and thrown out, but only because of the work of independents who actually did what they were elected to do.
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10-10-2017, 11:43 AM | #7276 (permalink) |
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It doesn't sit well with me philosophically because I'm opposed to democracy as a political structure in general.
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10-10-2017, 12:58 PM | #7278 (permalink) |
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Sometimes I'm not so sure either.
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10-10-2017, 02:01 PM | #7280 (permalink) |
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Ah I forget that bad guys opposed him which makes him a good guy. Thanks Chules.
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