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10-10-2017, 10:31 AM | #7251 (permalink) | |
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10-10-2017, 10:36 AM | #7252 (permalink) | |
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Pithy response as usual, but I actually don't know what, if any, point you're trying to make here.
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10-10-2017, 10:45 AM | #7253 (permalink) | |
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2012 Election: Obama won 62% of the electoral vote and beat Romney by 5 million in the popular vote 2016 Election: Trump won 57% of the electoral vote but lost the popular vote by 3 million. Can you explain in more than simple cliches how these 3 election results were "orchestrated" by the rich and powerful? Why did the top want Obama, a candidate who ran on raises taxes for the rich, equal pay for women, affordable health care, raising the minimum wage, and tightening environmental regulations? None of which would seem desirable to the rich and powerful. Why did the top want Trump, a candidate who ran on mostly snake oil and catch phrases, as well as basically promising to undo everything that Obama did. A possible third world war, restricted trade with China, and alienating our most powerful allies are things that would be negatives for the rich and powerful.
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10-10-2017, 10:47 AM | #7254 (permalink) |
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not saying it's one way or the other but you're looking at pretty narrowly Chula. look at the aftermath of both of those presidents vs the state of the country atm. if their goal was to turn us all against each other then it clearly worked.
btw there's no excuse for not voting. whether you feel it matters or not, it requires minimal effort to mark an x on a piece of paper. edit 2 - it's been a couple years, can we plz get off Obama's dick now and admit he was an ok president but doesn't deserve to be held like the golden standard simply bc he's black.
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10-10-2017, 10:48 AM | #7255 (permalink) |
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Obama's expansion of the executive office opened up the door for plenty of lobbyists. Of course they love the guy.
Just because you have the right to vote doesn't mean that you're inherently voting on anything of value or in a way that doesn't **** you or others over.
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10-10-2017, 10:53 AM | #7256 (permalink) |
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The point I was making, which you either missed, ignored, or refuse to accept, is that with local candidates in govt you can actually get issues discussed that matter to you. For instance, when I was having trouble getting Karen's extension built I could have gone to my local representative and asked them to raise it on the Dail floor (bring up the subject when the govt is in session) and it would have been. Writing to the Taoiseach (Prime Minister), Minister for Health etc would not have worked, but I can go to the office of my local guy and talk to him face to face and he will agree to discuss the matter in open session. THAT's part of the reason why I vote, and is a solid result of the voting process. If I hadn't helped vote that guy in, he wouldn't be there to help me and I'd have no voice in govt, see?
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10-10-2017, 10:56 AM | #7257 (permalink) | |
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10-10-2017, 10:59 AM | #7258 (permalink) | |
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The thing about Ireland is that people WILL vote out someone who doesn't do what he was elected to, if he doesn't keep his promises. Take a guy who is voted in as an independent for Waterford, one of our counties. Staff in that hospital are in danger of losing their pensions, and he is voted in on the promise he will ensure they are protected. If he doesn't do this, or try to, he won't be elected next time around. So the people can hold their elected representatives to some sort of accountability.
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10-10-2017, 11:02 AM | #7259 (permalink) | |
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