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Exo 10-09-2017 01:26 PM

Santa Rosa wildfires: Fast-moving blazes devour buildings - CNN

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Santa Rosa also ordered evacuations in several neighborhoods. The Sonoma County Sheriff's Office said hotels were evacuated and shelters were set up. The county is working to set up shelters at fairgrounds to house animals. In Napa County, evacuations were underway as firefighters battled blazes.


This is happening in Santa Rosa right now. I lived right outside of there earlier this year. I just wanted to let everybody know that Steph (WWWP) is safe. Her friends and family are safe. It looks like her apartment has been spared but that isn't the case for a lot of other people. Whole neighborhoods have been burned to the ground. I called this area home for the beginning of this year. I'm heartbroken to say the least.

Find a gofundme charity for both Sonoma and Napa counties right now because they need it.

Frownland 10-09-2017 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Exo (Post 1881198)
Santa Rosa wildfires: Fast-moving blazes devour buildings - CNN





This is happening in Santa Rosa right now. I lived right outside of there earlier this year. I just wanted to let everybody know that Steph (WWWP) is safe. Her friends and family are safe. It looks like her apartment has been spared but that isn't the case for a lot of other people. Whole neighborhoods have been burned to the ground. I called this area home for the beginning of this year. I'm heartbroken to say the least.

Find a gofundme charity for both Sonoma and Napa counties right now because they need it.

Man, **** fires. In the *******. There's nothing worse than when your whole town is in flames. I know 3 people who are certain they've lost their homes and a dozen more who are displaced by the fires (all safe though).

OccultHawk 10-09-2017 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1881183)
voting should be just one course of political action ideally but don't doubt its importance

I participate in the civic engagement club at my college, I register students to vote, and I think it's actually the most tangible thing I do for progressives

I'm not trying to start up another feud with you but to me that's the antithesis of anarchism.

Lisnaholic 10-09-2017 02:07 PM

Of course a vote is just an "X" on a piece of paper, so apart from the choice that it indicates, the act of voting can be interpreted in many ways. I like to think of it as a declaration, "I have the right to an opinion, and I demand that my opinion be counted." That's why I don't buy into OH's interpretation:-

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1881161)
It's an expression of one's willingness to be governed when one should insist on being ungovernable instead.

^ The problem with this idea is that no-one in authority interprets a non-vote as "Wow, these guys are ungovernable!" I suspect their reaction is "Wow, these guys really don't care what we do. They are as apathetic as a cow in the field, who also has no say in its governance."

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1881171)
By not acknowledging others right to govern you and to resist when they try.

^ For all we know this is precisely what the hapless cow in the field is thinking too.

OccultHawk 10-09-2017 02:11 PM

But people who get elected usually act like receiving votes gives them the right to govern. I have written "**** you" on the ballot before.

The Batlord 10-09-2017 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1881029)
Hmm, yeah once you realise that the search for meaning is all vanity there is a certain peace in embracing the void.

Truth. If Buddhism didn't have so much religious baggage it would be pretty alright. It's already alright I guess, but it's still a religion.

Frownland 10-09-2017 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1881211)
"I have the right to an opinion, and I demand that my opinion be counted."

More like "I have the right to think one of two things, and I demand that my binary decision be counted."

Our limited options are constructed and established by a machine that's not in our control. The fact that voting is touted as a key example of Americans' liberty is a slap in the face as far as I'm concerned. Voting is part of what keeps those wheels turning.

Frownland 10-09-2017 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1881236)
I think it's unnuanced to not consider that a country ran by democrats would look different than one ran by republicans

Almost as unnuanced as framing those as the only two options. Or thinking that either would make the US anything but a playground for corporations.

Frownland 10-09-2017 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1881237)
"Both sides are bad" is just as much a "spiritual" way of thinking as you put it as anything else

And thinking that it's wrong because you kinda like one side better is pretty illogical too don't you think.

Frownland 10-09-2017 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1881246)
what's logical is to determine which policies you agree with and to realize you can't get 100% of what you want from either party but they are not the same

Strawman argument. Banned.

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one party will give you 35% or whatever

And over time you make gains this way
Is it establishment week at school or something? Party politics is disgusting.


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