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08-13-2017, 09:20 AM | #6361 (permalink) |
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The ONLY abolitionists were fringe Christians who actually believed in the New Testament. This idea that the north was morally superior to the south is just bull**** revisionism to reinforce patriotism with the dishonest narrative that the good guys won and America fights for freedom. The only issues at play were money and greed. The north was industrialized and the south used blacks as agricultural machinery. The north didn't give a **** about blacks they just wanted to extend their economic advantage.
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08-13-2017, 09:37 AM | #6363 (permalink) |
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I know, that's why I said "a leader" instead of "the leader".
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08-13-2017, 10:45 AM | #6364 (permalink) | |
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Thanks for the translation, Frownland!
^ I didn't know that the statue had always been controvertial. Anybody know when it was first put up? Quote:
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I'm sure there was worry in the South over possible eventual abolition, but unless I'm misremembering my history it was really a political issue. I don't think it's really that clear. I'm certainly not an apologist who thinks the war was about the South fighting for its rights, but at the time as far as I know the issue of a state's right to secede from the Union either hadn't been properly addressed or at least settled. I think it would be a reasonable assumption in 1860 that a state was ultimately a sovereign power that was voluntarily ceding some measure of authority to the central government for the sake of keeping a functional country, but still had the right to declare independence and claim their soil as their own.
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08-13-2017, 11:58 AM | #6366 (permalink) |
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Nah, by 1860, national supremacy was firmly established.
Hop down to the supreme court interpretations section. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause
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The descendants of Confederates always cry about how moving these statues hurts their precious little feelings, but what about the descendants of the people the Confederates enslaved? Why should they have to endure monuments to the atrocities committed against their ancestors? I say take them down and put them in a museum, they should never have been erected in the first place. |
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08-13-2017, 12:16 PM | #6369 (permalink) | |
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I'll post this quote I saw in my lazy wiki read "The right of revolution expressed in the Declaration was immediately followed with the observation that long-practised injustice is tolerated until sustained assaults on the rights of the entire people have accumulated enough force to oppress them; then they may defend themselves." So unless the slaves were revolting I don't think they have a case.
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