The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

**Exo** · 05-28-2017, 08:24 PM

I'm starting to get really tired of these public figures slapping an idealism onto something that is so case by case such as poverty. You can't say sh*t like that and not expect people to run with it and start looking down at poor people. That kind of statement breeds people who look at a homeless man and wonder why he doesn't have a job.

Lots of realities exist. That man could be mentally ill. He could be a substance abuser. He could be the laziest man ever. He could have lost his home in a fire, ect...ect...ect...

Point is. Don't f*cking throw a blanket of a statement like that publicly. It throws salt right in the face of people who are poor who really really try not to be but can't because of societal reasons. I'm not mad at Carson because he's SUPER WRONG. I'm mad because he is a completely tone deaf rich doctor with no tact or humbleness whatsoever.

OccultHawk · 05-28-2017, 09:50 PM

Amen brother

DwnWthVwls · 05-28-2017, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exo

I'm starting to get really tired of these public figures slapping an idealism onto something that is so case by case such as poverty. You can't say sh*t like that and not expect people to run with it and start looking down at poor people. That kind of statement breeds people who look at a homeless man and wonder why he doesn't have a job.

Lots of realities exist. That man could be mentally ill. He could be a substance abuser. He could be the laziest man ever. He could have lost his home in a fire, ect...ect...ect...

Point is. Don't f*cking throw a blanket of a statement like that publicly. It throws salt right in the face of people who are poor who really really try not to be but can't because of societal reasons. I'm not mad at Carson because he's SUPER WRONG. I'm mad because he is a completely tone deaf rich doctor with no tact or humbleness whatsoever.

This is a much better reason for why he's wrong to have said that than the others have presented, and I mostly agree, but I wonder what idealism are you talking about? I also don't think it's wrong for people to look at the homless and ask why? Whether it's condescending or out of sincere concern people recognizing the problem is important.. It's much better than people not even acknowledging their existence or just obliviously okay with that being a part of society.

**Exo** · 05-29-2017, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

This is a much better reason for why he's wrong to have said that than the others have presented, and I mostly agree, but I wonder what idealism are you talking about? I also don't think it's wrong for people to look at the homless and ask why? Whether it's condescending or out of sincere concern people recognizing the problem is important.. It's much better than people not even acknowledging their existence.

The idealism that poverty is sustained by a lack of effort. It's true for a lot of cases but not for all. People lose jobs. People make poor decisions in the housing market. When I inspected houses for a living, you wouldn't believe all the homes that were abandoned by literally upheaval. These people were so deep in the sh*tter that they literally left everything they owned and went who the hell knows where. It doesn't even have to be homelessness. There are a sh*t ton of families that survive by eating ramen every night while both parents work three jobs. It's so much more expensive to be poor than it is to be wealthy. Some families are barely able to keep their mouth above the water for air.

To highlight my point just for emphasis, I don't think Carson thinks that if you're poor you must not be trying hard enough. Maybe he meant it to be motivational. My point is that Ben Carson isn't the speaker of the poverty stricken. He's somebody that, for some reason, has serious value to his opinions and I think it's irresponsible to broadcast the slightest hint of an idea that people are poor because they don't have the right mindset.

Just tell people to donate when they can and perhaps volunteer once or twice a month at a homeless shelter and let the people who follow your word as gospel in some case make up their own damn minds as to why Jerry down the street is selling all of his things on his lawn every weekend.

Trollheart · 05-29-2017, 05:40 AM

There are more homeless people in Ireland now than ever before. Why? In a single phrase; housing crash and bank crash. When people couldn't afford to keep up their mortgages, which had risen year on year with the banks, who had ****ed us all over, getting fatter and fatter, did these banks understand? **** no: hand back your keys. So many people who would never have dreamed they would be on the streets are now either there, or crammed into one hotel room with their entire family, trying to scrape by. That's not a mindset, that's not people being lazy or not having the right attitude. That's a heartless government and - for want of a better phrase - rich class who don't give a curse about the hardship they've caused through their greed, intend to do nothing about it and STILL smile their ads on the TV about how "we're backing doing" (huh?) - basically saying they're lending for mortgages if you want one. Interestingly, among all the flowers and singing, every single one of these ads now comes with a stark warning: FAILURE TO KEEP UP REPAYMENTS ON YOUR MORTGAGE CAN LEAD TO LOSS OF YOUR HOME, AND WILL AFFECT YOUR ABILITY TO OBTAIN CREDIT IN THE FUTURE.

****ing ****s.

Also, there are more houses being built for private sale than for social housing by a factor of god knows how much, but it's big. Maybe 10 percent for social housing. So those stuck in a hotel room, or on the streets, or living on a friend's charity, can see all these new houses but it's like in Family Guy: NO! NOT FOR YOU!

Again, ****s.

I don't see where in any of this any particular mindset comes into it, and I too am disgusted with and ashamed of this guy for suggesting, from his no doubt mansion and grounds, with his massive salary and huge pension pot, that it might be. It doesn't matter that it's only suggested as one of many factors; like Exo says, it shouldn't be mentioned at all. It shows a heartless disregard for the real suffering poor people are going through, and coming from the mouth of one who probably never had anything other than a silver spoon in his, again, disgusting.

He should read Jack London's The People of the Abyss, then talk of mindsets.

OccultHawk · 05-29-2017, 07:50 AM

Right on TH!

OccultHawk · 05-29-2017, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Well yeah he's the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development

being ****ty at governing is "largely also a mindset" Ben

lol

I know it's a cliche at this point to say this about the Trump administration but without exaggeration I can say he's the worst choice possible for that position.

"Don't Worry. Be Happy"

**Frownland** · 05-30-2017, 02:49 PM

NY man on LSD saves dog from hallucinated house fire - NY Daily News

I can't believe it's not satire.

OccultHawk · 05-30-2017, 03:13 PM

You ever take a large dose of DXM?

Combine that with whatever designer drug they were calling LSD.

You ****ed up, now.

**Frownland** · 05-30-2017, 03:20 PM

Just reads like one of those heavy handed anti-drug things like "man thinks he's a glass of OJ."

Never mixed it, but I've taken 600 mg of DXM and my head exploded. Also interesting LSD note. Do you think that it doesn't exist in its true form on the market these days or is it just being counterfeited a lot?

05-28-2017, 08:24 PM	#5861 (permalink)
Exo All day jazz and biscuits Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: NJ Posts: 7,354	I'm starting to get really tired of these public figures slapping an idealism onto something that is so case by case such as poverty. You can't say sht like that and not expect people to run with it and start looking down at poor people. That kind of statement breeds people who look at a homeless man and wonder why he doesn't have a job. Lots of realities exist. That man could be mentally ill. He could be a substance abuser. He could be the laziest man ever. He could have lost his home in a fire, ect...ect...ect... Point is. Don't fcking throw a blanket of a statement like that publicly. It throws salt right in the face of people who are poor who really really try not to be but can't because of societal reasons. I'm not mad at Carson because he's SUPER WRONG. I'm mad because he is a completely tone deaf rich doctor with no tact or humbleness whatsoever. __________________ LastFM SUPREME POO BAH MODERATOR EXTRAORDINAIRE

05-29-2017, 05:40 AM	#5865 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,992	There are more homeless people in Ireland now than ever before. Why? In a single phrase; housing crash and bank crash. When people couldn't afford to keep up their mortgages, which had risen year on year with the banks, who had **ed us all over, getting fatter and fatter, did these banks understand? no: hand back your keys. So many people who would never have dreamed they would be on the streets are now either there, or crammed into one hotel room with their entire family, trying to scrape by. That's not a mindset, that's not people being lazy or not having the right attitude. That's a heartless government and - for want of a better phrase - rich class who don't give a curse about the hardship they've caused through their greed, intend to do nothing about it and STILL smile their ads on the TV about how "we're backing doing" (huh?) - basically saying they're lending for mortgages if you want one. Interestingly, among all the flowers and singing, every single one of these ads now comes with a stark warning: FAILURE TO KEEP UP REPAYMENTS ON YOUR MORTGAGE CAN LEAD TO LOSS OF YOUR HOME, AND WILL AFFECT YOUR ABILITY TO OBTAIN CREDIT IN THE FUTURE. ing s. Also, there are more houses being built for private sale than for social housing by a factor of god knows how much, but it's big. Maybe 10 percent for social housing. So those stuck in a hotel room, or on the streets, or living on a friend's charity, can see all these new houses but it's like in Family Guy: NO! NOT FOR YOU! Again, *s. I don't see where in any of this any particular mindset comes into it, and I too am disgusted with and ashamed of this guy for suggesting, from his no doubt mansion and grounds, with his massive salary and huge pension pot, that it might be. It doesn't matter that it's only suggested as one of many factors; like Exo says, it shouldn't be mentioned at all. It shows a heartless disregard for the real suffering poor people are going through, and coming from the mouth of one who probably never had anything other than a silver spoon in his, again, disgusting. He should read Jack London's The People of the Abyss, then talk of mindsets. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018*

05-30-2017, 02:49 PM	#5868 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	NY man on LSD saves dog from hallucinated house fire - NY Daily News I can't believe it's not satire. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

05-30-2017, 03:20 PM	#5870 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Just reads like one of those heavy handed anti-drug things like "man thinks he's a glass of OJ." Never mixed it, but I've taken 600 mg of DXM and my head exploded. Also interesting LSD note. Do you think that it doesn't exist in its true form on the market these days or is it just being counterfeited a lot? __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

05-28-2017, 09:50 PM	#5862 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	Amen brother

05-29-2017, 07:50 AM	#5866 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	Right on TH!

05-30-2017, 03:13 PM	#5869 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	You ever take a large dose of DXM? Combine that with whatever designer drug they were calling LSD. You ****ed up, now.