The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

[OccultHawk]

To act like this is merely correlation and not causal is appalling.

It's more like it's night until the sun comes up so therefore I conclude the sun is a light source.

[Frownland]

On its own, it is most definitely not causal. When you factor in things like poverty, generally disillusioned youth in war torn regions, and political context, you're a little closer.

If you think I'm arguing that people aren't using Islam for terrible means then let me assure you that I'm not. I'm arguing that only pointing at the fact that someone is Muslim as the reasoning for terrorism is wildly inaccurate.

[Trollheart]

Originally Posted by Frownland

On its own, it is most definitely not causal. When you factor in things like poverty, generally disillusioned youth in war torn regions, and political context, you're a little closer.

If you think I'm arguing that people aren't using Islam for terrible means then let me assure you that I'm not. I'm arguing that only pointing at the fact that someone is Muslim as the reasoning for terrorism is wildly inaccurate.

Hence my question, which he sort of answered but really just brushed over. If people are being used, manipulated and coerced by a religious dogma, does that make those people evil in themselves? Was every Crusader evil? Most were, granted, and greedy, but would you not accept that there were those who went because they thought they were doing God's will, and if so, does that make them inherently evil? Or just misguided? I wonder if I'll get an answer before I head to bed in about two hours.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Trollheart

Hence my question, which he sort of answered but really just brushed over. If people are being used, manipulated and coerced by a religious dogma, does that make those people evil in themselves? Was every Crusader evil? Most were, granted, and greedy, but would you not accept that there were those who went because they thought they were doing God's will, and if so, does that make them inherently evil? Or just misguided? I wonder if I'll get an answer before I head to bed in about two hours.

Committing murder is evil, even if your god or government tells you to, but I think that's kind of beside the point.

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by Trollheart

Hence my question, which he sort of answered but really just brushed over. If people are being used, manipulated and coerced by a religious dogma, does that make those people evil in themselves? Was every Crusader evil? Most were, granted, and greedy, but would you not accept that there were those who went because they thought they were doing God's will, and if so, does that make them inherently evil? Or just misguided? I wonder if I'll get an answer before I head to bed in about two hours.

Misguided.

[Trollheart]

Originally Posted by elphenor

I think you're way off track Trollheart

Yeah possibly. Crusaders wasn't a great example, but I couldn't think of another off the cuff. You understand the point I'm trying to make though, yes? That not every muslim hates the West and wants to be a suicide bomber, but that there are multiple variables to factor in to why someone does that. You guys are better at arguing this stuff than I am, I admit it. I'll leave it to you.

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by Frownland

Committing murder is evil, even if your god or government tells you to, but I think that's kind of beside the point.

It's not beside my point because I'm arguing the religion is bad. Misguiding people is bad. And allowing yourself to be misguided is a shortcoming. Not an evil but I'm going to say worthy of bigotry because I want to give the widest berth possible to the word bigot to make it clear what I'm defending, which is bigotry.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

It's not beside my point because I'm arguing the religion is bad. Misguiding people is bad. And allowing yourself to be misguided is a shortcoming. Not an evil but I'm going to say worthy of bigotry because I want to give the widest berth possible to the word bigot to make it clear what I'm defending, which is bigotry.

One can become evil even if they didn't start off that way.

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by elphenor

bigotry makes Westerners really easy to manipulate

I haven't seen you be able to even grasp the concept that maybe we had something to do with the state of things

You're carrying on with this 18th century idea that the "other" are just savages

No, I'm not. You'll not find a more aggressive antagonist against America than me. I'm full of self-loathing, hate for America, and will argue against my own culture with perhaps more vehemence than anyone here. But today, I'm focused on my disgust with Islam.

And bigotry does make people easy to manipulate. Trump is a byproduct of white supremacy by all means. So please don't accuse me of being an apologist for the west. I'm not. We're dispicable.

[Ol’ Qwerty Bastard]

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