The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

[Chula Vista]

Short Version: Gorilla Zookeeper agrees with the decision to shoot the animal.

Long Version:

I am going to try to clear up a few things that have been weighing on me about Harambe and the Cinci Zoo since I read the news this afternoon.
I have worked with Gorillas as a zookeeper while in my twenties (before children) and they are my favorite animal (out of dozens) that I have ever worked closely with. I am gonna go ahead and list a few facts, thoughts and opinions for those of you that aren't familiar with the species itself, or how a zoo operates in emergency situations.

Now Gorillas are considered 'gentle giants' at least when compared with their more aggressive cousins the chimpanzee, but a 400+ pound male in his prime is as strong as roughly 10 adult humans. What can you bench press? OK, now multiply that number by ten. An adult male silverback gorilla has one job, to protect his group. He does this by bluffing or intimidating anything that he feels threatened by.

Gorillas are considered a Class 1 mammal, the most dangerous class of mammals in the animal kingdom, again, merely due to their size and strength. They are grouped in with other apes, tigers, lions, bears, etc.
While working in an AZA accredited zoo with Apes, keepers DO NOT work in contact with them. Meaning they do NOT go in with these animals. There is always a welded mesh barrier between the animal and the humans.
In more recent decades, zoos have begun to redesign enclosures, removing all obvious caging and attempting to create a seamless view of the animals for the visitor to enjoy watching animals in a more natural looking habitat. *this is great until little children begin falling into exhibits* which of course can happen to anyone, especially in a crowded zoo-like setting.

I have watched this video over again, and with the silverback's postering, and tight lips, it's pretty much the stuff of any keeper's nightmares, and I have had MANY while working with them. This job is not for the complacent. Gorillas are kind, curious, and sometimes silly, but they are also very large, very strong animals. I always brought my OCD to work with me. checking and rechecking locks to make sure my animals and I remained separated before entering to clean.

I keep hearing that the Gorilla was trying to protect the boy. I do not find this to be true. Harambe reaches for the boys hands and arms, but only to position the child better for his own displaying purposes.
Males do very elaborate displays when highly agitated, slamming and dragging things about. Typically they would drag large branches, barrels and heavy weighted balls around to make as much noise as possible. Not in an effort to hurt anyone or anything (usually) but just to intimidate. It was clear to me that he was reacting to the screams coming from the gathering crowd.

Harambe was most likely not going to separate himself from that child without seriously hurting him first (again due to mere size and strength, not malicious intent) Why didn't they use treats? well, they attempted to call them off exhibit (which animals hate), the females in the group came in, but Harambe did not. What better treat for a captive animal than a real live kid!
They didn't use Tranquilizers for a few reasons, A. Harambe would've taken too long to become immobilized, and could have really injured the child in the process as the drugs used may not work quickly enough depending on the stress of the situation and the dose B. Harambe would've have drowned in the moat if immobilized in the water, and possibly fallen on the boy trapping him and drowning him as well.
Many zoos have the protocol to call on their expertly trained dart team in the event of an animal escape or in the event that a human is trapped with a dangerous animal. They will evaluate the scene as quickly and as safely as possible, and will make the most informed decision as how they will handle the animal.
I can't point fingers at anyone in this situation, but we need to really evaluate the safety of the animal enclosures from the visitor side. Not impeding that view is a tough one, but there should be no way that someone can find themselves inside of an animal's exhibit.

I know one thing for sure, those keepers lost a beautiful, and I mean gorgeous silverback and friend. I feel their loss with them this week. As educators and conservators of endangered species, all we can do is shine a light on the beauty and majesty of these animals in hopes to spark a love and a need to keep them from vanishing from our planet. Child killers, they are not. It's unfortunate for the conservation of the species, and the loss of revenue a beautiful zoo such as Cinci will lose. tragedy all around.

[Janszoon]

Originally Posted by Frownland

The biggest aim is for terrorism and they simply remove it from their platforms. Which they own. It's like kicking a drunk guy out of your bar. Thought police is just so overdramatic.

Agreed.

[Key]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

The Cincinnati zoo saved a child's life. What more do you want from them? You could say that they need to make their enclosures less accessible to four-year-old children, but you certainly can't fault them for acting quickly to save the little nimrod.

This is my thought on it as well. Also, the kid should not have been able to get to where they were, and that should be the fault of the parents, not the zoo. You can use the argument that the animals shouldnt be on display, but hell, if a child was about to be attacked by a gorilla, my first instinct would definitely be to stop it as quick as possible by any means necessary.

The whole controversy around this story has been blown so far out of proportion. The fact of the matter is, the child's life was saved. If the child wasn't saved, people would still have a problem.

[Ol’ Qwerty Bastard]

Originally Posted by Ki

The whole controversy around this story has been blown so far out of proportion. The fact of the matter is, the child's life was saved. If the child wasn't saved, people would still have a problem.

I can see the headlines now: Cincinnati Zoo Saves Gorilla, Murders Innocent Child.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Qwertyy

I can see the headlines now: Cincinnati Zoo Saves Gorilla and Thousands of Dollars for Two Lucky Parents.

ftfy

[Key]

Originally Posted by Qwertyy

I can see the headlines now: Cincinnati Zoo Saves Gorilla, Murders Innocent Child.

I mean...if the child is about the kill the gorilla, you'd do the same thing.

[Ol’ Qwerty Bastard]

Originally Posted by Ki

I mean...if the child is about the kill the gorilla, you'd do the same thing.

EDIT- Nvm, misread it.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by Ki

This is my thought on it as well. Also, the kid should not have been able to get to where they were, and that should be the fault of the parents, not the zoo. You can use the argument that the animals shouldnt be on display, but hell, if a child was about to be attacked by a gorilla, my first instinct would definitely be to stop it as quick as possible by any means necessary.

The whole controversy around this story has been blown so far out of proportion. The fact of the matter is, the child's life was saved. If the child wasn't saved, people would still have a problem.

I don't know enough about what the mother did or did not do, but I imagine every parent takes their eyes of their kid a few times in eighteen years, and sometimes that child then gets up to no good. Parents aren't supermen, and while I will defer to the hypothetical condemnation of actual parents who know how to keep their little nose miners in line, I think it's also unfair to just assume that the mother is a bad parent. Like I said, I'm sure every parent looses track of their kid at one point or another, and this just happened to occur in the worst possible spot.

[Frownland]

So it's not just me.

[Cuthbert]

Originally Posted by Ki

The whole controversy around this story has been blown so far out of proportion. The fact of the matter is, the child's life was saved. If the child wasn't saved, people would still have a problem.

yeh exactly can you imagine the outrage if the gorilla had killed the child because the zoo workers chose not to shoot it?

I saw the video in full and the gorilla was ragdolling that kid around, was definitely in danger.