Mueller's special counsel indicts 13 Russians for tampering in the 2016 US election.

From the indictment:

Gonna be more plea deals worked out in the next couple of months.

Michael Flynn: deal made
Richard Pinedo: deal made
George Papadopoulos: deal made
Rick Gates: deal in the works
Paul Manafort: about to be charged with contempt. Plea deal to follow.
Jared Kushner: TBD
Donald Trump Jr.: TBD

And in reality, what's likely to happen? I'm not being facetious; I actually want to know if this means anything or if it's another non-event that Trump and his acolytes will sweep under the carpet of the White House?

World War III between the US and Russia.

Special Counsel Robert Mueller is great at doing a bunch of worthless bull**** that adds up to nothing.

If this were a murder investigation it would go like this:

They found the victim shot
They identified the gun
The identified the owner of the gun
They found gunshot residue of the suspects hands
The suspect was found urinating on the grave of the victim
The suspect posts video footage of the victim dying on Facebook
Investigator interviews suspects mother
Investigator arrests someone who met the suspect three years ago
Media celebrates

What did you expect to come of it?

Russia will, of course, not extradite any of the 13 who are citizens. I think this is simply a strong signal being sent to the folks involved on our end by the special counsel.

Note the wording of part of the idictment: "Some Defendants, posing as U.S. persons and without revealing their Russian association, communicated with unwitting individuals associated with the Trump Campaign."

Unwitting is a clear signal to folks like Kushner, Manafort, and Jr., that Mueller knows a ton, but is giving them some breathing room for now so they'll opt for a plea deal.

He's giving them some rope. Pretty sure none of them will be willing to hang themselves on "The Donald's" behalf.

My guess is that Trump was the (or one of) unwitting one(s) given that he really isn't that smart.

I expected Trump to be arrested when he admitted he broke the law by obstructing justice when he confessed on national TV that’s exactly why he fired Comey. That’s the ****ing starting point. You arrest the confessed criminal and go from there. You don’t spend months and months investigating **** that’s less serious than what the mother****er already confessed to.

There's actually a reason for that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_doubt

Have you ever heard of Al Capone?

When trying to take down a sitting US President you better go slow and be 1000% sure what you have is going to be bulletproof.

Watergate break-in happened on June 17, 1972.

Nixon stepped down on August 9, 1974.

That's 26 months.

Mueller's investigation is only 9 months old.

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Ya think?

Reasonable doubt?

That’s obstruction of justice and against the law. When a Man breaks law and admits it he gets arrested unless the investigator is a pussy.

For a cynic you're surprisingly naive if you thought there was ever any hope of this happening. Even I, with my one piece of knowledge about US politics (there are two parties, right?) did not expect that to ever come to pass. Nor will it.

There’s no point taking him down unless you remove him from office before his ****ing term ends.

Dude

It’s not that I don’t know that. I’m pointing out that Mueller is part of the problem not the solution.

Mueller needs to hang right next to Trump. Tie Comey’s bitch ass up there, too.

Absolutely. Comey had clearly politicized the FBI with his memos and Trump said that that was the key driver in his reasoning. Boom. Reasonable doubt.

Ditching due process is infinitely more fascist than anything Trump has even considered.

His first term doesn't end for another 34 months......

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Mueller is being very methodical and ratcheting up the heat a little bit at a time. Today's indictment took things from a simmer to a mild boil.

Can I get a copy of Mueller's diary?

Reasonable doubt and due process are for the TRIAL. The ****er hasn’t even been arrested.

Due process absolutely involves the arrest but you're right, I concede.

Definitely not more fascist, but in the same ballpark for sure. As much as I don't like Trump, I'd rather that they could prove without a shadow of a doubt that he was actively working against the FBI in a direct way, or working with Russia to get himself elected. I don't expect to see Trump go down at this rate, not unless there's a bombshell that hasn't been uncovered yet (which is a real possibility, but not probable), but I think his credibility is being destroyed with Republican voters, and I do think that new standards will be enforced.

I don't think he'll run for a second term because he knows he'd get destroyed by a competent opponent, and I don't think his ego could handle a defeat like that.

Plus, he'll be totally fed up with the job and all of its scrutiny by 2020. I'd wager he already is.

It’s a term I always associated with a trial but you’re right

But goddamn I don’t see how there isn’t enough for an arrest

I think the failure to arrest him is indication of corruption and cowardice

Goddamn milf alert!

Question, who has easier access to the absolute best top shelf defense lawyers in the US (and for free) than the POTUS?

Lobbyists.

I don’t know, honestly.

I do know that Mueller has the authority to arrest Trump. But not the balls.

This would be Trump if Mueller tried...

It would be a unilateral move for Mueller and the FBI to arrest a sitting president. Even with a president as incompetent as Trump, he's still seen as the de facto leader of the nation. The FBI definitely doesn't want to be responsible for any unrest resulting from removing the president from office. Remember, Nixon was never arrested even when it was clear that he had commited obstruction, but he lost support from the GOP and ended up being forced to resign. I think a similar fate awaits Trump.

If he can’t be arrested he’s a de facto dictator.

Basically, yeah.

Did y’all see the repulsive crater cleavage frankentitties on that McDougal bitch?

I get better pussy than that and his Steven Tyler lookalike first c*nt

Not if there isn't a protocol to replace him and keep peace. If the FBI seizes leadership is that not a dictatorial move? Like I said, the FBI doesn't want to be responsible for what happens if millions of people start fighting in the streets. They might have no choice, but there has to be a higher standard than that.

If he's a dictator then he won't be honoring the law and then that's a whole different ballgame.

He broke the law when he fired Comey.

The president is allowed to order our army to go into another country and kill people, but firing a guy in an attempt to cover his own ass should result in arrest? Are you ****ing kidding?

No.

If he’s allowed to fire anyone who gets on his ass we have no checks and balances.

And about our flippant invasions, every president in my lifetime is (or was) a war criminal and every living president should be tried and put to death.

If the FBI gets to arrest whoever they want, including the president, who checks them? Also, I'm pretty damn sure the president has the ability to fire Comey, otherwise it wouldn't have happened. There's probably just some deniability Trump has that you're overlooking and Mueller isn't.

I'd concede your point in regards to George W. Bush's Administration, minus the death penalty stuff. You and I were never in a position like the one Obama or Clinton was in where they had to ask themselves whether it was best to remove support and potentially let an organization like ISIL take hold.

They answer to the president but that doesn’t mean the president is above the law. If the FBI went rogue other law enforcement would be duty bound to issue arrests where the law is broken. They’re beholden to abuse of powers laws like all law enforcement agencies. The judicial branch handles the cases after the arrests. In order for the system to work certain good faith common sense measures have to be honored. Ridiculous ideas like the president can impede any investigation he doesn’t like or can pardon himself and so on cannot be accepted as normal policy. Clearly, Trump has gone rogue and has openly and flagrantly broken the law. So far, he’s getting a pass. If Americans accept this state of affairs or are placated by Mueller’s pathetic response then we go deeper and deeper into this dictatorship.

What pathetic response? He's building an iron clad case brick by brick. Indicting
the 13 Russians this morning was a massive big balls move.