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Chula Vista 02-15-2018 03:53 PM

Interesting, Florida ranks 30th in guns per capita. Connecticut (Sandy Hook) is 25th. Colorado (Aurora) 20th. Illinois (Chicago) is 35th, California 40th, and New York is 50th.

Wyoming has 19.2 times more guns per capita than Florida yet only averages 1.4 times more gun related murders.

So is the issue the number of guns?

Frownland 02-15-2018 03:56 PM

Wyoming has a much smaller and spread out population. Booooo bad stats

The Batlord 02-15-2018 03:56 PM

This will never end until America stops seeing the middle class as an ideal, but as a cultureless disease that offers human beings nothing but sterile consumerism. I mean taking away the guns might stop the killing, but that's just a band-aid for the underlying existential nightmare.

OccultHawk 02-15-2018 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1926773)
Interesting, Florida ranks 30th in guns per capita. Connecticut (Sandy Hook) is 25th. Colorado (Aurora) 20th. Illinois (Chicago) is 35th, California 40th, and New York is 50th.

Wyoming has 19.2 times more guns per capita than Florida yet only averages 1.4 times more gun related murders.

So is the issue the number of guns?

Every mass shooter had at least one gun.

OccultHawk 02-15-2018 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1926776)
This will never end until America stops seeing the middle class as an ideal, but as a cultureless disease that offers human beings nothing but sterile consumerism. I mean taking away the guns might stop the killing, but that's just a band-aid for the underlying existential nightmare.

Church

Trollheart 02-15-2018 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1926778)
Church

And that's another problem: religion.

The Batlord 02-15-2018 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1926782)
other developed countries have a middle class similar to ours

are Americans really that much more violent than Australians for instance

probably not, Australia cracked down hard on guns though

Is their middle class particularly happier than ours though? If we gave them guns would they shoot each other? At least the lower classes in this country shoot each other over money and influence. That at least offers a potential tangible gain.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 02-15-2018 04:32 PM

imo americans are just retarded

nothing to do with guns

you're just all ****in' stupid

DwnWthVwls 02-15-2018 04:39 PM

I blame social media for all of this.

Chula Vista 02-15-2018 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1926775)
Wyoming has a much smaller and spread out population. Booooo bad stats

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1926777)
Every mass shooter had at least one gun.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1926780)
compare the populations of Florida and Wyoming Chula

Wyoming has 4 cities with populations larger than Parkland FL, Newtown CT, and Columbine, CO.

There's 33.6 times more people in Florida than Wyoming, yet Florida only has 1.8 times more guns.

Not trying to make a point. Just adding some numbers to the mix that seem to contradict the "more guns = more mass shootings" narrative.

Frownland 02-15-2018 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1926798)
Wyoming has 4 cities with populations larger than Parkland FL, Newtown CT, and Columbine, CO.

Florida has 20 (est.)

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There's 33.6 times more people in Florida than Wyoming, yet Florida only has 1.8 times more guns.
Florida has far more urban centres where people are grouped more closely together. Does CNN have any stats comparing Wyoming and Florida's average amount of guns per gun owner?

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Not trying to make a point. Just adding some numbers to the mix that seem to contradict the "more guns = more mass shootings" narrative.
Do better. Do you have any numbers on what happens when you introduce devices that can exclusively be used to maim or kill into a society?

Chula Vista 02-15-2018 05:26 PM

More stats from the FBI and other sources.

https://www.thetrace.org/wp-content/...-c-default.png

https://www.thetrace.org/wp-content/...-c-default.png

OccultHawk 02-15-2018 10:40 PM

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I don’t want your condolences you ****ing price of ****, my friends and teachers were shot. Multiple of my fellow classmates are dead. Do something instead of sending prayers. Prayers won’t fix this. But Gun control will
-Sarah Chadwick (student from the school responds to Trump)

Right on right on

Lucem Ferre 02-15-2018 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1926748)
dude

I think what you’re saying positively has to be heard

I’m not trying to speak for you but I think at least part of what you’re saying is the problem is the hate and anger and the hate and anger exists for real reasons. That line of thought has to be included in the conversation.

I think I get what you’re saying.

Exactly what I'm saying. Like, we have less abundance of guns than before yet more mass shootings. I'm not going to make a pro-gun stance out of it, just that it's obviously a deeper problem than just guns. Or pay attention to the old trend of mailmen shooting up their work places. Like, okay, get rid of guns, IDGAF, but let's talk about why they are doing it too.

Lucem Ferre 02-15-2018 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1926793)
I blame social media for all of this.

It's possible, I think social media isolates us more than it connects us.

Lucem Ferre 02-16-2018 01:44 AM

So it isn't just another school shooting, it's another right wing extremist shooting. 71% of extremist acts of terrorism in the US comes from right wing extremists. So why are we so afraid of Muslims?

Chula Vista 02-16-2018 02:22 AM

Because of lot of people tell us to be.

Cuthbert 02-16-2018 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1926838)
So it isn't just another school shooting, it's another right wing extremist shooting. 71% of extremist acts of terrorism in the US comes from right wing extremists. So why are we so afraid of Muslims?

What was the reason he did this?

BBC describes him as a depressed loner. Doesn't say anything about it being political or terrorism.

Frownland 02-16-2018 04:18 AM

It is quite plainly terrorism just like every single civilian mass shooting.

Cuthbert 02-16-2018 05:01 AM

:laughing:

MicShazam 02-16-2018 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1926765)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/searche...ure-292183/amp

bye bye view image button



Thanks for the “help”

I discovered this just last night. As it turns out, I use the two removed features ****ing constantly! **** you Google!

MicShazam 02-16-2018 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1926785)
Australia had a historic problem with gun violence

some representatives who would lose their seats for it said enough is enough and passed strong regulations

Australia no longer has a particularly bad gun violence problem

This.

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1926838)
So it isn't just another school shooting, it's another right wing extremist shooting. 71% of extremist acts of terrorism in the US comes from right wing extremists. So why are we so afraid of Muslims?

Brown is the scariest color.

Cuthbert 02-16-2018 06:12 AM


Frownland 02-16-2018 06:18 AM

I wonder who sued Google into that decision.

Akai 02-16-2018 06:59 AM

Nineteen school shootings within two months, as well as the rest of the mass shootings in public places.

A teen can't buy a can of beer but he can legally purchase an AR15.

''It's all about mental health, this discussion shouldn't regard the concept of US gun laws being changed''

https://christianrusso.files.wordpre...palm.jpg?w=584

Cuthbert 02-16-2018 08:18 AM

Can't buy a chocolate Kinder Egg either. I think it is unsafe?

Meanwhile:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de_gJqkbPt4

OccultHawk 02-16-2018 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1926863)
I wonder who sued Google into that decision.

Getty Images

OccultHawk 02-16-2018 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1926860)

That’s pretty painful. More and more people around the world look at America with pity.

Cuthbert 02-16-2018 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1926901)
That’s pretty painful. More and more people around the world look at America with pity.

I take it you agree with the video? Or do you just find it sad how some outside the US see it all?

Trollheart 02-16-2018 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1926887)
Can't buy a chocolate Kinder Egg either. I think it is unsafe?

Why?

Cuthbert 02-16-2018 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1926917)
Why?

They have little toys inside them.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...rprise_Egg.jpg

#ChokingHazard
#HaveARifleInstead

Frownland 02-16-2018 10:47 AM

Our bullets are too large to be choking hazards.

Trollheart 02-16-2018 10:56 AM

Would have worked better if the toy had been a tiny M16 or Uzi. :laughing:

Cuthbert 02-16-2018 10:58 AM

:laughing:

Frownland 02-16-2018 10:59 AM

I know a liquor store that has them, but idk if that's because of deregulation or lack of ****s to give.

OccultHawk 02-16-2018 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1926904)
I take it you agree with the video? Or do you just find it sad how some outside the US see it all?

He didn’t say anything I disagree with except that hotel staff should look in your bags.

My impression of the international reaction to events in the US is unlikely to be aligned with reality. You’d have to deeply study the foreign media to even hazard a guess. But I still have a take based on what I’ve seen. I used to watch Japan’s NHK news, Germany’s Deutsche Welle, Al Jazeera, BBC and the PBS News Hour. I had a cable news package that included English translation. It also had some more East Asian shows as well, South Korea, China, and Indonesia - I think. After 9/11, I found to my surprise that Al Jazeera was the most pro-American foreign news station. But to me there was always a kind of snarky bitterness toward America, especially from the BBC... until Sandy Hook. And after Sandy Hook when we remained stuck in the same rut the tone became more sorrowful and empathetic. We’re like a neighbor who used to be a rich ******* who’s now wandering around homeless muttering to ourselves.

People are saying they want our schools to have the same security as our airports. As a former teacher, that’s just ****ing heartbreaking man.


https://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2018/...b-rooms-daily/

Caesars says they’re going to check rooms even with Do Not Disturb signs. I don’t think I’m being trite when I say laying around naked all day with your drugs on the table in Las Vegas is an important freedom. For me, hanging that do not disturb sign on the door in Vegas was a ****ing rite of passage. I don’t want people insisting on barging in when I’m getting blown by a crackhead transvestite. I’m not joking, either. If you can’t have privacy in a casino hotel in Vegas we’re really losing it.

OccultHawk 02-16-2018 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1926938)
did you take a look at the link I posted

we now know he trained with white nationalists

The Republic of Florida?

It appears they’re still uncertain. Probably the most horrifying name I’ve ever heard. That’s the kind of **** that’ll make you miss ISIS.

Frownland 02-16-2018 02:48 PM

ICE nabs 195 criminal illegal immigrants during workplace inspections in Los Angeles

You know every time I hear people push for stricter immigration, it's coupled with fears of how terrible MS-13 is and how they're revolutionizing prison gang structures in a bad way (which is true). Given that, why does the Gestapo seem to think that drug lords want to work a midnight shift at 7/11? Why aren't the businesses being shut down for not abiding by minimum wage laws? What about the half of the group that had no criminal history or known affiliations with criminal behaviour, how long will they be held in ICE's concentration camps? I know someone who's been in holding with his whole family since No****ingvember for getting caught at a checkpoint with no sign of deportation, release, sentencing, court date, nothing. I'm told that this is "common sense" immigration.

Frownland 02-16-2018 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1926985)
thing with MS-13 is the more the current administration talks them up and the more hostile we are to immigrants

Man you need help if that's all takes for you to be hostile towards illegal immigrants.

OccultHawk 02-16-2018 03:20 PM

https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.g...%3fid=53123508

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Immigration bills fail in the Senate, fate of Dreamers murkier than ever
Is this where we learn first hand why the German people let it happen?


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