The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

[The Batlord]

You were the one to introduce the genocide framing, not me. And if you can't wrap your head around my view of the right as both bumbling idiots ruining Thanksgiving and potential genocidal murderers then that's a you problem. I think Hitler would have also been an annoying guest at Thanksgiving with poor arguments for his boomer views (and a farter too). Being stupid doesn't stop them from killing you.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by jwb

Yes because the only two options are genocide or nothing to see here.

You're the one demanding we either produce documents for the trans genocide or calm down there's nothing to see here. There's valid reason for trans people to be scared for their safety or even just their right to exist openly and just because you think it's gay to take things seriously doesn't change anything.

[Queen Boo]

I came out as trans nearly 10 years ago and I've never been more terrified than I am right now.

It's really f*cking bleak.

[jwb]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

You were the one to introduce the genocide framing, not me. And if you can't wrap your head around my view of the right as both bumbling idiots ruining Thanksgiving and potential genocidal murderers then that's a you problem. I think Hitler would have also been an annoying guest at Thanksgiving with poor arguments for his boomer views (and a farter too). Being stupid doesn't stop them from killing you.

I did introduce it in order to ask your thoughts on it because it's a discourse I'm seeing online. I didn't pull out of my ass, and you very well know that. I asked you about it and let you answer for yourself, and to me it seemed you clearly picked a side and it was the one I expected you to pick. That's not a problem but don't offload it to me like I'm putting words in your mouth by saying you seemed to indicate you do think it's an appropriate framing.

And the disparity is not between them being dumb and yet still violent. When I said punching nazis can serve as a rallying cry for violence and retribution you shrugged it off by saying they're losers who work at chili's etc.

The same losers who you are worried about shooting up a drag show. If you can't see the obvious disparity between those two takes which is clearly a result of lazy ad hoc rationalizations and motivated reasoning on your part, that's a you problem.

[jwb]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

You're the one demanding we either produce documents for the trans genocide or calm down there's nothing to see here. There's valid reason for trans people to be scared for their safety or even just their right to exist openly and just because you think it's gay to take things seriously doesn't change anything.

that's complete nonsense. I said on several occasions I'm not saying they aren't facing discrimination and **** like that. Just that I don't think the genocide framing is at all correct.

Even the people who argue in favor of it tend to use arguments that focus of rhetorical strategy rather than facts. Like if we take it more seriously we can be better equipped to fight against it. But that ignores the fact that if people think there is an actual genocide on the table they might resort to much more drastic measures than you otherwise might. The potential for overcorrection or for the rumored genocide to serve as a rallying cry for the opposition. This seems to be the kind of threat you persistently ignore, as was noted in the above example about the "punching nazis" discourse

[jwb]

Originally Posted by Queen Boo

I came out as trans nearly 10 years ago and I've never been more terrified than I am right now.

It's really f*cking bleak.

terrified that they're going to start loading people onto trains or terrified of anti trans legislation and acts of sporadic violence which aren't even remotely unique to that community?

Like I don't want you to read that as downplaying because I do think the latter is also worth serious attention. But can we just stop pretending like there's such a thin line between the two?

[Trollheart]

Jeez, jwb! Probably terrified they're going to get attacked on the street for being different and nobody in their state is going to do anything about it. Terrified that if they go to the cops the guardians of the law may sneer and think they had it coming. Terrified to be isolated when you're in danger and nobody wants to help you, and so many others want to join in hurting you. I reckon that's what they mean. Among other things, like being disenfranchised and an attempt to scrub them from history, which is going on right now.

[Queen Boo]

Transition has been a dead end for me for almost a decade because there are no resources for trans people where I live, no trans community and my family is not very supportive, and now I'm more terrified than ever that I will never reach my goals, whether it's my access to trans healthcare being taken away from me due to anti-trans bills or the risk of me being assaulted in public if I present femininely in any way.

My new years resolution is to get on HRT at any cost, it's make or break for me now.

[jwb]

Originally Posted by Trollheart

Jeez, jwb! Probably terrified they're going to get attacked on the street for being different and nobody in their state is going to do anything about it. Terrified that if they go to the cops the guardians of the law may sneer and think they had it coming. Terrified to be isolated when you're in danger and nobody wants to help you, and so many others want to join in hurting you. I reckon that's what they mean. Among other things, like being disenfranchised and an attempt to scrub them from history, which is going on right now.

Yeah I wasn't suggesting it's not worth being afraid of just because it's not a genocide. Do you have any thing to add other than pearl clutching and posturing?

[jwb]

Originally Posted by Queen Boo

Transition has been a dead end for me for almost a decade because there are no resources for trans people where I live, no trans community and my family is not very supportive, and now I'm more terrified than ever that I will never reach my goals, whether it's my access to trans healthcare being taken away from me due to anti-trans bills or the risk of me being assaulted in public if I present femininely in any way.

My new years resolution is to get on HRT at any cost, it's make or break for me now.

that sounds like something you probably would've faced even more so 20 years ago tbh. Like for the umpteenth time my point isn't and hasn't been that they don't face discrimination or even that the rhetoric isn't ramping up.

But I think they are making significant progress and that's why they are facing backlash. I think it's undeniable the massive shift in people's thinking in the direction of being more accepting of trans people that has happened over the last decade or so. Do you disagree with that?