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12-24-2022, 11:28 PM | #23821 (permalink) | |
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In the lead up to Nazi Germany the brawls in the streets with communists was actually used as a recruitment tool for luring disaffected, directionless and patriotic former soldiers into the SA. Violence acts as more of a rallying cry than anything else, especially in unstable political environments |
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12-25-2022, 06:30 AM | #23822 (permalink) | |
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"People thrive on the violence" is just sort of a vague, useless statement. What people? All the people? Some people? Certain people? Do all people just inherently enjoy getting punched in the face? Cause if not then you need to inject some nuance. Just the slightest bit of nuance. Just anything that isn't thoughtless drivel.
Also, these modern losers aren't dead-eyed WW1 veterans. They work at Home Depot. They thrive on Chili's.
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12-26-2022, 10:55 PM | #23823 (permalink) |
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No, not all of the people. But a subset do. That's all it takes. You think all Germans were fighting in the streets of the Weimar Republic or it was just a sizable enough number of people to destabilize the fledgling democracy?
I'm not saying the situations are 1 to 1 either. It's ironically usually the people in the other side who make the WW2 analogy, like jadis alluded to. But either way I think it's a safe bet to say people aren't being moderated by violence towards their side. Especially when dealing with extremist elements in particular you are selecting for people who can use violence as a rallying cry and martyrdom as credibility. And I'm pretty sure that a lot of the far right militia types are in fact ex military, similar to the Germany example. Of course under certain circumstances you yourself might even point out this threat in another context, but here you conveniently downplay it to try to win a cheap point. Because you actually don't have principles behind anything you are saying at this point. |
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Long term I can't predict anything with confidence but the right certainly want at the least for trans people to go back in the closet and be culturally invisible through both legal means (f.ex. through legal harassment of the parents of trans kids or outlawing genital surgery) and more violent intimidation. The federal nature of the country makes me think the US would have to go through a literal civil war for, say, Texas to decide to go full Final Solution as the country burns, but if say another Katrina situation goes down and a part of the country becomes lawless for a period then I could see like a right wing militia moving into a place and trying to temporarily take over. It sort of happened already in Oregon in 2020 during the wildfires when militia ding dongs thought Antifa were setting the fires and set up checkpoints. If something like that happened in a disaster area where the government had lost control I could see situations where a Proud Boy calls up his buddies to go lynch his trans neighbor and next thing you know a bunch of trans people are dead and nothing gets done about it and the "culture war" gets ratcheted up that much higher. I'm not making predictions, I'm just taking the right at their word.
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12-31-2022, 03:22 AM | #23827 (permalink) | |
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States across the country are passing vehemently anti-trans bills, the most watched show on cable news right now is hosted by an unhinged psychopath who keeps screaming "WEIMAR!" every time he sees an LGBTQ person and Neo-Nazis are showing up with guns to every drag bar they can find but sure move along everyone nothing to worry about.
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12-31-2022, 12:29 PM | #23828 (permalink) |
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The irony is that for the point we were discussing, it's not so directly relevant how combat ready the right wing militias are. Because if we are using the Germany example, they didn't take over by force. But the SA was a massive recruitment tool that helped them build the political movement they needed to take over. But reading your post it sounds like you are basically saying you think there could be more shootings etc and legislation. I don't doubt that could easily happen. I don't think that is worthy of being called a genocide. The question is do you actually think those things will lead to something more closely resembling an actual genocide? It sounds like based on your post you are saying maybe it would happen in the aftermath of complete destabilization after some sort of natural disaster. Which is like a fringe sort of worst case scenario. See, my whole thing is when people call it a genocide i actually don't even know to what extent they believe it. I feel like it's mostly just a poor rhetorical tactic. |
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