The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

[Trollheart]

Um, transmitters? Transformers?

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by jwb

um to be fair in the same convo you flat out said Tim Pool and crowder types wouldn't entertain the talk of Jewish bankers etc on their platforms and that is precisely what went on to happen within like a weeks time.

We were talking about degrees of rhetoric and while the last week has been wild neither has said anything like

"The Jews control the media.

People are calling for violence.

I don't think Congress is going to stop the control of the media.

People will not stop calling for violence.

You tell me what happens next."

Originally Posted by jwb

What evidence is there linking the power grid thing to trans **** btw?

As far as I know just a random tweet that was circulating that was taken as potentially claiming credit.

www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna60236

[jwb]

There wasn't a specific analog to that word for word tweet but crowder basically said Kanye isn't completely wrong about the Jews and many are basically doing the "well it's not all Jews but there is this nefarious left wing Jewish mob..." Point being you are being super pedantic in trying to pretend like the gulf in rhetoric between the two is so massive because of one ****ing Tim pool tweet that you seem to think is so above and beyond everything else that has happened apparently...

[The Batlord]

With Jews they're in the "just asking questions" phase. It's ****ed up but they're still not crossing the line of justifying anti-Jewish violence and afaik there isn't any modern history of anti-Jewish legislation or lawmaker rhetoric to go along with it.

[jwb]

Um that Tim pool tweet is also in the "just asking questions" phase. It's literally framed as a nefarious sounding open ended question. That's the only way you can do this ****. He would be taken off the air in a heartbeat if he dropped the pretense and just said he supports the violence.

[jwb]

There's also no Ye equivalent for the LGBT thing. Nobody who is as mask off about it with as prominent of a platform even post-cancellation. There's nothing quite like it that we've seen that I can think of.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by jwb

Um that Tim pool tweet is also in the "just asking questions" phase. It's literally framed as a nefarious sounding open ended question. That's the only way you can do this ****. He would be taken off the air in a heartbeat if he dropped the pretense and just said he supports the violence.

That is not asking any questions as a dog whistle, it is thinly masking a prescriptive statement with descriptive language. It is almost actionable.

Originally Posted by jwb

There's also no Ye equivalent for the LGBT thing. Nobody who is as mask off about it with as prominent of a platform even post-cancellation. There's nothing quite like it that we've seen that I can think of.

He's also an anomaly. As far as I know there hasn't been a single celebrity since WW2 who''s been willing to torpedo their career and reputation by publicly going mask off antisemite. The right as a whole is more openly anti-trans than they are antisemitic.

[jwb]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

That is not asking any questions as a dog whistle, it is thinly masking a prescriptive statement with descriptive language. It is almost actionable.

it's nonetheless couched in the plausible deniability of just asking questions. You are trying to split hairs to make it so this one tweet places the trans genocide on a different level and that is simply motivated reasoning on your part.

He's also an anomaly. As far as I know there hasn't been a single celebrity since WW2 who''s been willing to torpedo their career and reputation by publicly going mask off antisemite. The right as a whole is more openly anti-trans than they are antisemitic.

damn you have a**** memory. Even I remember Mel Gibson.

Either way I agree the Jews are largely treated way more sensitively cause of the Holocaust. But that only means that people are more likely to suppress and conceal antisemitism, not that it's less likely to crop up in a genocidal fashion. Part of the allure is the conspiratorial angle of the Jews controlling the media and everything else so the " you can't talk about this" vibe actually makes antisemitism more appealing, not less.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by jwb

it's nonetheless couched in the plausible deniability of just asking questions. You are trying to split hairs to make it so this one tweet places the trans genocide on a different level and that is simply motivated reasoning on your part.

1. Plausible deniability yes but there is no open question about trans people. Trans and gay people ARE grooming children and people WILL kill them for it, the only "question" is what "happens next" if trans and gay people keep grooming children, which isn't a question but a veiled threat since the answer has already been given.

2. It's just dishonest to say I'm using one tweet to make my case. This current discussion started with me posting an article about Texas trying to find trans people through drivers licenses and I've already mentioned lawmaker rhetoric and legislation. We're both aware of the current grooming moral panic that is being trumpeted from MTG to Greg Abbott to DeSantis to Matt Walsh to chuds on the ground protesting drag shows to Facebook boomers screaming about trans people in women's sports.

And hey here's a story of a trans community alpaca ranch who have to do armed patrols of the property and put up a fence cause of threats and armed trespassers.

https://www.cpr.org/2021/05/07/in-cu...of-harassment/

damn you have a**** memory. Even I remember Mel Gibson.

Either way I agree the Jews are largely treated way more sensitively cause of the Holocaust. But that only means that people are more likely to suppress and conceal antisemitism, not that it's less likely to crop up in a genocidal fashion. Part of the allure is the conspiratorial angle of the Jews controlling the media and everything else so the " you can't talk about this" vibe actually makes antisemitism more appealing, not less.

I was well aware of Mel Gibson when posting. He never was willing after the story hit to go on camera and talk about the JQ. He went deep underground and hoped it would all go away and did not become a willing tool for right wing "question asking".

Kanye has brought antisemitism into the spotlight by virtue of how insane the spectacle is. Trans people merely have to exist and be visible for lawmakers to bandy about bathroom laws.

[jadis]

*movie trailer voiceover* a BRAIN WAR between two MB heavyweights

DEBATING

which group is gonna get genocided first, THE QUEERS or THE JEWS

TUNE IN etc